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  • WileyJohnson
    +10

    Well it's been a fun hour and a half Snapzu. Maybe I'll call you sometime. /s

    • double2
      +9

      The elephant in the room in this thread: It'll be interesting to see if this causes a dip in content activity

      • picklefingers
        +17

        I doubt it. I think most of the crowd here on Snapzu is different than the crowd that left reddit "cause fuck Ellen Pao". Though I'm sure that a good amount (maybe even the majority) of us felt that she was a bad CEO, most of us have legitimate gripes with reddit and a change in staff doesn't fix that.

        • smokedhuman
          +10

          I agree. I was not a huge redditor to begin with (only there for two years). I looked at all the shit that was flying and cut my losses and moved on.n I just read the announcement post and saw all the 'fuck that bitch' posts and came to the conclusion that most of the folks left are people I really don't want to associate with. I may lurk a bit, but I have no plans on commenting or posting anymore. As the saying goes, you can't argue with crazy. And I am sure the subreddits I am lurking in will eventually make their way over here. And I also agree with /u/Autumnal. A great deal of the drama went to Voat. I poked around a bit when the admins could keep the site marginally up and no thanks.

        • Autumnal
          +7

          I agree, I think content providers went here, and the fatpeoplehate/Ellen Pao drama went to voat.

        • WileyJohnson
          +5

          Yes reddit has been going downhill since long before Ellen Pao. I had never even heard of her until a few months ago but I've seen reddit's quality decline pretty heavily for about 4 years now. Even though I've found this awesome community on Snapzu, I'm pretty bummed that reddit has taken such a turn for the worse. After 7 years on reddit and several redditgifts exchanges I feel pretty invested in the site. I don't really want to just give up on it, but it's been at least 2 years since I've had a genuinely enlightening conversation there. At least a year since I've had any conversation there that didn't feel like a debate. I'm tired of every comment being dissected. I know a lot of people are just playing devil's advocate but sometimes you just want to share an experience or an opinion and discuss it with like minded (or open minded) people. I'm also pretty sick of the top comments thread always being puns. I LOVE puns. Love them. But I really don't need to wade through three dozen puns every time I want to read the comments.

      • ColonBowel
        +6

        Fuck that. I was over Reddit before this shit show. There were very few subreddits that were worth anything any more. Lookat /r/AskReddit. It went from a place where you got people to give you answers on many interesting topics to most clever response.

        This event just gave me the motivation to change sites and the community the motivation to find decent alternatives.

        • double2
          +9

          I can't see myself abandoning reddit entirely, at least in the immediate future, but I've definitely found snapzu to be a much more tranquil way to explore new ideas and current events. Reddit has become a much more functional affair whereas snapzu has become my place to browse. When snapzu has a big and active enough community to give quality, niche discussions I imagine the complete transition will be on the cards.

Conversation 21 comments by 13 users
  • namo
    +93

    That's great, reddit. But I already started dating someone else. No hard feelings?

    • 90boss
      +24

      It was never about Ellen in the first place

      • redalastor (edited 3 years ago)
        +16

        No but Steve was a great guy with a good head on his shoulders managing reddit when it was still a great place to be. He apparently can tell Alexis when he's being an idiot.

        I think his return is a good thing for reddit.

        • Francopoli
          +9

          It may be too little too late. We will have to watch and see if they can repair the damage to the community that has been done in the last 8 months.

          • redalastor
            +8

            It may be too little too late.

            Could be. But bringing Steve is the best move they could do.

            see if they can repair the damage to the community that has been done in the last 8 months.

            Last 5 years I'd say.

            • double2
              +5

              Unfortunately that also coincides with Reddit becoming the cultural behemoth that even makes it a talking point. Is the biggest issue a growing and less unified community?

            • ColonBowel
              +5
              @double2 -

              I think a lot of it has to do with Reddit becoming much more popular. When sites get like that, they become the trash like Ebaums, 9gag, and even YouTube.

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      • cunt
        +4

        I like to think they wanted more publicity and fucked up royally. Sometimes publicity is bad publicity.

    • HomerJSimpson
      +16

      I understand you not wanting to talk about a site that you have left, but unlike relationships, the websites people visit don't have to be exclusive. I don't want to convince you to use Reddit if you don't want to, but there are some of us who visit both (or... many) sites, and wish to have a reasonable discussion about them.

      • namo
        +18

        Oh, I didn't mean it like I don't want to see news about Reddit here. And I'm glad if they get their stuff together, me leaving reddit had very little to do with Ellen Pao to begin with.

        It's not Reddit, it's me. I like to have a main page where I can spend some time time when I'm bored, and for over 6 years reddit was it for me. But I got bored of the self congratulating culture there, so I was bored being bored. I'll still visit some subs from time to time, but I'm back to lurking.

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      • jmcs
        +16

        At least for me seeing an alternative made me less tolerant to seeing the same inane jokes all the time.

      • double2
        +5

        You totally misread that homie.

Conversation 12 comments by 10 users
  • Autumnal (edited 3 years ago)
    +51

    Well, she's not the reason I'm here and away from reddit. Every thread turned into arguing, people would doxx people they didn't agree with, and in general the content submitted is pretty lousy compared to the majority content there. Constantly reading all that anger, and deleting my own comments over and over again for fear of being threatened was exhausting, and I'm happy to have found this place, at least.

    • oystein
      +20

      I got rid of most of the default subs two years ago, it made the experience a lot more enjoyable but I also felt like I was out of the loop most of the time. Lately it seemed like I had just given up making comments and participating most of the time.

      • TheBeef
        +11

        Same here. I was a very active user, but stopped participating months ago. If no-one's really listening to anyone else why bother saying anything?

    • Cesaro (edited 3 years ago)
      +14

      Agreed. Some of the decisions that Pao made were questionable. Maybe unethical at best. Her treatment of Dacvak (if true) was verging on appalling.

      That's not why I left. I left because of what has become a thoroughly toxic community. Nothing that the Admins can do can get rid of that. I got fed up of seeing an orange-red and my default reaction being "Oh god, what have I done?".

      • Autumnal
        +13

        Yeah, I never noticed that, but it subtly went from "Oh boy! An Orangered!" To "Aw shit, who'd I piss off"

        • jmcs
          +3

          At least with an orangered you know why you pissed off people, when you see your comment go from +10 to -30 in 30 minutes, without any reply, it's way worse.

      • Gozzin
        +3

        That's not why I left. I left because of what has become a thoroughly toxic community. Nothing that the Admins can do can get rid of that. I got fed up of seeing an orange-red and my default reaction being "Oh god, what have I done?".

        I agree. The trolls and loud mouthed bullies basically took it over to a large part. I dreaded seeing the orange envelope as well and would wait till the day after it appeared to open it. For the most part, the pm's were ok,but I never knew if I'd be blown out of the water or not. Who needs that kind of abuse? I sure don't.

    • Cariboujustice
      +12

      I agree I joined reddit a few years ago posted a couple of times made a slip up and posted in the wrong sudreddit and you woulda thought I killed someone. After being called a liar and worse I decided that was enough for me and lurked pretty much the rest of my time there. The atmosphere here is less hostile and so far everyone's been nice shame it's taken a few years but in glad I found this place.

    • Rothulfossil
      +9

      I'm finding I still have some PTSD from reddit, coming here. That is, I know that this community is much more welcoming and friendly, but I still find myself timid with commenting. I never realized just how exhausting reddit comments were, and how much of a maelstrom the community was as a whole.

      • hallucigenia
        +6

        I'm seriously thinking about treating reddit like YouTube. It's fine to check out the posts, but do not go into the comments.

      • Gozzin
        +4

        Same here..It was only after I stopped going that I realized how it messed with my head.

    • ColonBowel
      +4

      I couldn't take that "ayy lmao" comment any more! Seriously, it has to be going on at least 6 months, but probably much more.

  • double2
    +26

    Just went in to the thread and made my first couple of comments in about a week. I got downvoted and treated like an idiot. It's weird, downvotes feel a lot worse now after being on snapzu for a while. Getting that kind of response is like when you've been on holiday, you get back home, and you can actually smell your housesmell. And it kind of smells like shit a little bit.

    • newuser
      +9

      You've had a taste of decent discourse. I'm sorry but you can no longer go back to the maddening hoard. I know, I tried.

      • fred
        +5

        Ironically reddit was like this its first couple of years (2006-2008) and especially 2008 during the great Digg migration. It was all downhill from there.

        • newuser
          +5

          Yep, I was there before the Digg thing. I still remember some of the most hilarious and insightful comments from reddit. But, in the past few years, it's been slowly degenerating into memes and pun threads and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, they could be fun, just not all the time.

          Speaking of Reddit's past greatness, I'm hoping Snapzu can cultivate a science, AMA and history tribe. Those tribes were the best and, even in Reddit's dying days, never lost their focus.

    • scp440
      +5

      Fuck reddit and that homogenized, circle jerk culture they have cultivated. Don't turn back man, I left that shithole a year ago and never looked back.

  • kevino025
    +19
    • WileyJohnson (edited 3 years ago)
      +20

      Nice! Snapzu has expandable image links built right in. I've only browsed a few threads so far and this was something I was wondering about. I love it. Now I just have to figure out how to minimize it before this gif breaks my eyes.

  • SoCalWingFan
    +19

    She may have been the reason I found this place, but this is actually a really neat site, and I'm looking forward to watching it grow. The fiasco last week really helped broaden my online activity for the better. I hadn't planned on leaving Reddit forever, and her departure will not prompt me to return to Reddit exclusively.

    • Nerdeiro
      +8

      Same as me, only it wasn't her directly that drove me away, it was the unrully mob Reddit became. the decay of the community have been happening for quite awhile now, and I couldn't find anything better (there was a touch of laziness on my part). The witch hunt over Chooter's dismissal was just the last straw.

      I'm only going back as a lurker now to check what's going on some Elite: Dangerous subs, but that's it.

  • nicoscope
    +19

    This is a very surprising turn of event.

    Alas, I doubt it'll change anything. Reddit is rotting from the inside because it's polarized between the overzealous agenda pushers and the apathetic meme junkies; both pushing away regular users looking for neutral and thoughtful content.

    • Guilhem
      +10

      It's really not that surprising, it's textbook. The day Victoria was fired tons of post describe exactly this. Pao was here to put in place unpleasant policies and take the blame. Now this policies are in place, she got her 12 months pay and everybody is happy that they "won". Steve even said "Steve’s great challenge as CEO [2] will be continuing the work Ellen started".

      • ZanThrax
        +3

        I expected Pao to resign, but Spez coming back was a surprise. And since Spez was always much more part of the community than kn0thing is, it's at least somewhat heartening to see.

  • Nelson
    +16

    She was just the scapegoat. Your anger is towards her rather than the changes made on reddit. Those changes aren't going to change back.

  • joker
    +16

    I'm glad the Reddocalypse happened. Made me find a better place to lose sleep to.

    • double2
      +5

      "AMAgeddon", you mean... puh-lease!

  • sushmonster
    +15

    They got her to resign and it will be really hilarious when the next person is just as bad or even worse, because reddit is a corporation run by Conde Naste and the shareholders probably want it a certain way to generate revenue. She was most likely just following directions. Same way the next clueless person will. Let's watch reddit drive each and every one of them to resign with popcorn while living peacefully in Snapzu.

    • double2
      +11

      I think you're being a little over the top. I love you anyway.

    • ZanThrax
      +6

      Conde hasn't owned Reddit in years. They're both owned by the same parent corp - Advance Publications.

    • Fuyu
      +5

      This exactly. The core values of Reddit have changed from "free speech" to a "friendly community." We have no guarantee the next CEO won't enforce that "friendly community" even harder.

      I only didn't like Ellen Pao because she was kind of a scumbag of a person. I'm glad to see her go, but Reddit is still on it's way downhill without her because her lawsuits and husband weren't what was dragging it down in the first place.

      • jmcs
        +3

        At the least the ridiculous shadowbanning of real people will go away, because spez actually remembers it was meant to stop spammers not to secretly censor the users that don't agree with the admins.

  • canuck
    +11

    "You'll have to pry this position from my cold dead hands." LOL

  • ressmox (edited 3 years ago)
    +9

    I'll copy-paste my comment from the other thread, since I didn't see this one. Forgive me please.

    I was mostly indifferent and unaffected with her as CEO, but I do think that things were headed in the wrong direction. To be honest though what people have to understand is that one person is rarely the dictator of all decisions at a company. And in all likelihood, a move like this only serves to help PR, and to present the illusion of change.

    • double2
      +10

      Sorry that I deleted it! Felt it was splitting the conversation.

      • ressmox
        +6

        It's alright, I agree that it was the right decision! Same reason I deleted mine and submitted it as a link in yours :)

  • ToixStory
    +9

    As said in the main announcement thread, it smells less like real change and more like PR cover-up. Releasing the news on a Friday (best time to cover up a story as everyone is too busy), using the death threat users as a scapegoat (not that they aren't bad, but they are obviously heaping all the blame there), and not actually removing any of the hierarchy that has made reddit so bad besides Pao who almost certainly didn't act alone all adds up to PR 101 stunts. But meh, I'm happy over here anyway, so I'm indifferent to the whole deal.

  • Spooky
    +8

    Eh, I don't see much changing really. I'm certainly sticking around here. I only go to reddit for the more niche topics and if I need to find something from a few years back now.

  • sergio
    +8

    They even brought back the OG admin from 2000's. It seems the Reddit administration finally figured out that people can and will leave at the drop of a hat if they continue to act that way. Either way the damage is done, lots of people left for good.

    Reddit is no longer the 'cool-kids table on the web'.

    • double2
      +8

      This is like when nerds became cool at the start of the century due to playstations and marvel films. Plurality of cool has began!

  • Pockets69
    +8

    Well i still don't care.

    the sub i mostly frequent wasn't affected, and the others that i did frequent to certain extent were affected for a few days and because of stupid politics.

    I now realize how i missed a place like this, but only realize it after being here, its awesome to step into threads and see familiar usernames :)

    I am staying here, i just going to reddit for those subs that really interest me.

  • 8mm
    +7

    Great, now reddit users will think shitstorms get you what you want. I feel like there is a lot more coming on the horizon.

    • ColonBowel
      +4

      I didn't even think about it, but this is a very good point.

  • stoa
    +7

    Excellent news, but too late! I'm never leaving Snapzu now that I've seen how much better it is.

  • picklefingers (edited 3 years ago)
    +7

    I have to agree with one thing in particular. The response to Ellen was sickening. Don't get me wrong, I am VERY glad that she is not the CEO anymore. I don't think she had the right goals in mind with the reddit community and I don't think she understood the community. I openly admit I signed the petition, not out of malice, but because I honestly believe that she does not fit with reddit.

    But some of the responses WERE sickening. Death threats, having her face on the front page for days and days with nasty messages, and almost endless racist and sexist comments. Don't get me wrong, if it was just a couple crass jokes here and there, it would have been fine. However when a crass joke is some of the tamer things going on, you know you have a problem. There is absolutely no excuse for some of the things that were said and posted during her time with reddit.

    But, to the message as a whole, I am glad. This was a good decision. It looks like they are heading the right direction, especially with Steve being excited about mobile. Improving the mobile functionality would be good for me personally because I'm spending an increasingly less amount of time by a desktop.

    Who knows what's going to happen. Maybe Steve Hufffman is going to change things around. Maybe he is just going to continue Ellen's direction and the site will continue to lose members. Only time will tell.

    On a side note, didn't they do this on the "no reddit day"? Clever.

  • NinjaKlaus
    +7

    I think we should all be wary about what's going on over there because in the Re/Code site article she says that her view and the boards view on how to grow the site were different and she says their view is aggressive.

  • Typogre
    +7

    Too late reddit. I have a new waifu.

  • LoboPreto
    +6

    That's great and all but...I like it here. I like how this place is small, and I don't have to compete with a bajillion people to get something I submit or my comment seen. I also like how much more friendlier people are here and I like the voting system. The layout and EXP thing is pretty cool too. That being said, I think this will be my permanent home but I'll still visit reddit from time to time.

  • Jupiter7
    +6

    I'm gonna echo a lot of others here and on the threads on Reddit. While I don't like her as a person for the bullshit she pulled with the VC company she was with, and her husband is a scam artist and all, she really was just a distraction. I want to believe in spez as CEO but seeing kn0thing be such a sellout asshole, I don't have high hopes. If he really wants to show hes not a sellout himself, hes going to need to undo as much of the bullshit Pao was a puppet for as he can. But he wont.

    • ColonBowel
      +4

      What about kn0thing made him a sell-out. I all I know is that he was someone important towards the beginning of Reddit.

  • Cat
    +6

    Too little, too late?

  • idlethreat
    +6

    All right guys. I guess that's a sign for me to pack it up and head back to reddit. Thanks for all the laughs! /s

    • YourTaxGuy
      +4

      I'm trying to figure out if we should take this threat seriously or not.

      • namo
        +6

        I think he'll stay, the /s is for sarcasm.

        • YourTaxGuy
          +5

          I know, I was commenting on his username.

          • namo
            +8

            I knew I was missing something while I wrote that. That distinctive feeling like something is flying over my head.

    • blue2501
      +3

      ???

      • TotallyTrusty
        +2

        GITS laughing man avatar/icons twice in 1 thread........love you snapzu

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