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  • kvn
    +4

    I totally understand that point. However, there are some things that can be done to allow these negative groups without hurting others. When I browse censor-ship free forums, whenever I saw some hatepost (which was allowed) it would be met with harsh criticism, and the person would be negative repped into oblivion. Whenever this person commented on anything, people noticed his terrible reputation and never replied to his comments. We can learn something from this. In reddit, these hate groups ran rampant without any punishment, because there is no punishment. If we employ an effective way of the users punishing other users for hateposts, I think we can have a hate-free AND censhorship-free snapzu.

    • drunkenninja (edited 8 years ago)
      +37

      I think the general idea of censorship on a social website such as this is misunderstood. Let me try and explain.

      Let's go back to the house party scenario. Let's say as the host I sent out invites to everyone, and with with each invite I left a short note. The note would say that we have a special room in the house specifically set aside to host the sharing and ridiculing the photographs of overweight individuals so that those who want access can all laugh and hate them together. But that's not all, after we have gone through every photo, we then glue the most popular one onto a stick and parade it around the house party all proud of ourselves for being different and better. I'm not done yet... lets say one of those individuals is there, quietly chatting it up with a drink in their hand having a good time, hurting no one, and they see this. Now lets remember, of course this scenario wouldn't happen, because no one in their right mind would show up to a house party where the note says there is a special room set aside for the ridicule and abuse of other people.

      Lets think about actual censorship vs removing abusive content and how completely different those two things are. It isn't our role as the host of the party to go around listening-in on conversations and then kicking people out for their legitimate opinions, be it politics or whatever other subject. But if people shack up in the bedroom and start a 10 person hate group to ridicule other people, we are going to put a stop to it. It's really that simple. It's a case by case basis because we're not about to send everyone a 200 page contract on how to behave at a party, it's impossible to foresee every situation, and frankly it isn't our business to try.

      • Idontmindturtle (edited 8 years ago)
        +1

        I used reddit for around three years and never one saw a fat people hate comment on my feed. Your analogy was going very well until the part about about gluing the photo to the stick and forcing it in everyone's face. The most I ever heard about fph was boogie talking about it on his YouTube channel, or the meta about it being banned.

        Edit- someone mentioned r/all below but it's clear that a lot of people here don't get how reddit works. R/all was merely there to show you the highest rated content of the entire website. If you wanted the best party for you, you wouldn't go into r/all because it shows you what is going on in every room in the house... Including the kids room where for year olds are laughing at fart noises and the sex dungeon in the basement. You would use the FrontPage because it is the party you want to be at.

      • remez
        +5
        @Idontmindturtle -

        I've seen lots of fat-shaming on reddit, and I wasn't looking for it, not even browsing the /r/all. But it invaded large subs, like AskReddit, and sometimes even in smaller subs people complained aboit being ridiculed. So, no, it wasn't very well contained at all, large parts of the site were affected.

        As soon as hate speech is allowed anywhere on a site, the same users that gather there will be browsing the rest of the site, posting and commenting, and the whole site's standards of behaviour and courtesy will be slipping. Why would we want it? There are so many forums on the internet; setting up your own forum takes minutes. Nobody stops haters of any kind from creating their own place, so why let them ruin a perfectly pleasant community?

      • Idontmindturtle (edited 8 years ago)
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        @remez -

        I've seen fat shaming in that people promoting unhealthy lifestyle choices have been called out on it. People promoting obesity as a good thing should be called on it. I have also seen smoker shaming in that people saying smoking isn't really that bad have been called out on it. I've seen random comments like 'omg you are so fat' come out of nowhere and hate seem those comments downvoted to oblivion. I don't know why you think your user experience is more definitive than mine and think typing "so, no, it's not" is going to convince me otherwise.

        Edit: Annnnnd I get downvoted for having a different opinion.

      • remez
        +3
        @Idontmindturtle -

        I don't know why you think your user experience is more definitive than mine

        I do not think so. You were describing your experience, and I told you about mine, which is different from yours. Which is understandable, reddit is a big and diverse place.

        And, for what it's worth, it wasn't me downvoting you.