The vote is over on the UK.
So it looks like the UK will be leaving the European Union. I was wondering how our Snapzu users feel about this development? Will it be a good move? A bad move? And how may things change for you?
7 years ago by CrookedTale
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This will have a considerably negative ripple effect accross the world economy. Personally I think they made the wrong decision.
Ok. I just want to rant here for a second. I asked this question on snpazu because I seriously wanted to know what people thought about the exit. The reason why I wanted to know is because the US media really sucks. I was just watching a international (joke) news station who had a Trump Representative, A Clinton Representative, a European economist, and someone from the DailyBeast on a panel to discuss the issue of the UK Exit. Three of the four people (and the interviewer) discussed what Trump, Clinton, and Obama thought about the exit and how the right and left parties agree or disagree. The economist kept interjecting on who it was not about US politics and that there were complications in the world market due to uncertainties.... and they just talked over him. Then the same thing happened while I was listening to the NPR (they are on my bad list this week). This really sucks for every US citizen because all news is centered on US politics. The news feeds on the internet are not much better when it comes to understanding how the people feel in the UK and Europe. Understand that not all Americans are looking at the UK decision through the glasses of US politics. Some of us just want to know how you feel because we can not stand what the news here is feeding us.
I am really pissed off at the US media. Thanks for letting me rant.
My company is heavily into the International markets. Although we are in the states the decision to leave the EU by the UK has caused our stock to fall. That is just the way it goes when you are an international business. Our leaders are taking a "Keep Calm and Carry On" attitude right now as it is to early to tell how it will cut into our profits for this quarter and the next. I am sure many international companies are experiencing the same thing.
I feel that this is the wrong decision was made. I see minority languages losing protection and also see the end of the UK with Ireland reuniting and Scotland being independent.
I am very interested in what Ireland will do considering they had a huge percentage of people that want to stay withon the EU.
Only Northern Ireland is affected by this. They are in the United Kingdom. The rest of Ireland is independent from the UK and will remain in the EU.
I'm watching what both Ireland and Scotland are going to do. I have a good friend in Scotland and seeing what they do is especially interesting.
My gut says Scotland will vote for independence soon if the UK proceeds with the exit, and I think the EU will probably offer them a pretty sweet entrance deal for doing so. If they're going to do it, now would be a good time. Unless, of course, the EU shows signs of falling apart or the UK economy somehow makes a miraculous recovery in the next 6-9 months. Then all my bets are off.
I have confidence that they will try and find a way to rejoin the EU.
I'm gutted, I've woken up to a horrible Nightmare. My only hope now is a second Indyref for Scotland so we can cut ties with the fearmongering English twats ASAP.
My N Irish friends will be fine: they're all exercising an old and not very used right to hold dual citizenship with the Eire which should protect them as EU citizens.
But WTF Wales?! What were you thinking?!
Do you think there is enough people to push for a successful independence referendum for Scotland? I personally think that Ireland and Scotland would get a backing from the EU to get it to the polls but the people would have to make the choice. I am also hoping you answer my question with a "Yes".
Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. Scotland has already voiced it's displeasure and has brought up the independence referendum. Northern Ireland's best option would be to reunite with the rest of Ireland, though there is so much bad blood between them it may be difficult. There certainly is a real possibility that those 2 will break from the United Kingdom in the coming years if the Brexit is particularly harmful to them.
Northern Ireland have a little known option afforded them; Anyone from Northern Ireland can apply for a republic of Ireland passport. This is something pretty much every single N Irish friend of mine has already started applying for. this means they would all be defacto EU citizens.
It's unlikely N Ireland would rejoin the republic; the Troubles were in my lifetime and it's still an insanely sore point. they've worked insanely hard to make the Good Friday Agreement and peace work. A referendum like that would be far too dangerous at this time. they're simply not there yet as much as we'd love to believe in it being otherwise. EU-positive doesn't equal being a republican.
which is sadly where Scotland is as well. many Unionist no voted from Indy-ref were pro remain, many pro-leave were also independence yes voters. there's no real correlation there between the two refs. Personally i voted yes to indy ref because I wanted to stay in the EU and i knew that England would vote to leave and drag us all out as well. I would vote yes again. Some people voted Yes because it meant we would be automagically out the EU and have to hold another vote on applying to join. so it's very very complex. We'll just have to see what happens.
What concerns me the most is that democracy was abused and eventually failed all of us. People were fed lies and scared purely for political gains. Once democracy fails us, it's not much different than living in a nondemocratic country, where the decisions are not made for the benefit of the people.
Secondly, I'm not sure if Europe has learnt it's lesson. I'd expect every single member of EP start working right away explaining their voters the inner workings and benefits of EU. This hasn't happened yet. In addition, we need a reform to make EU more transparent and give people power they understand and can use. This is the only way forward for the EU, yet, right now it seems that the political elites rather continue business as usual.
There are murmurs starting up right now about the EU making UK's exit messy and harsh to try and dissuade other countries from leaving in the future (at least on US news) . Do any of you think the EU would make and example of the UK?
It looks like the EU is apply a bit of pressure today. I do believe the EU should help in the process of UK's exit but it looks like they may be trying to slam the door as soon as possible. Kind of like a parent who is mad at thier teenager and roughly throws them out the door onto the street.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/eu-emergency-talks-brexit-berlin
There will def be a temptation to make it more harsh. UK won't get a better deal, it will get a different deal. It's apples and oranges, thus, it'll be hard to make a comparison between the "new" and "old" deal. However, I feel that EU leaders won't have to make the negotiations harsh - the self inflicted damage will be big enough as it is. Of course, I might be proven wrong and the UK might thrive outside EU. Time will tell.
One way or another I would fully expect that to be the official line. If you build a coalition based on demonizing the EU, there's no downside to further demonizing them on the way out.
I'm pretty confident they will, though I expect particularly harsh proposals will begin negotiations and be blunted somewhat over time. However, the immediate financial cost of the vote may become a pretty significant penalty for the UK economy well before EU exit terms come into focus. Those costs alone may be enough to bring about a new "whoops, about that..." referendum (I like "Bregret" for this possibility, but the Brit press is much better at portmanteaus than I am). Revotes are not totally without precedent either - Ireland, Denmark and France have all had revotes over EU treaty issues. But if the UK does leave, Merkel will make sure they don't leave without feeling some real pain for the rest of the EU to see and benefit from. Germany has much to lose from a disintegrating EU right now, and holds most of the cards in the EU's financial conversations.
I think it's an unfortunate turn of events as I tend to like the idea of a united Europe, but I'm maintaining a wait and see stance. I'm not sure I'm properly aware of the ultimate ramifications, considering there's been some speculation the UK might still be participating in the EEA even though they leave the EU.