When resources are scarce and times are stressful, animals will not only spontaneously abort but they'll even kill their own young. Humans doing so becomes neither unusually cruel nor unnatural but a difficult choice when faced with untenable choices. Blaming women simply because they're not rich enough to afford the cost of pregnancy or raising another child is unacceptable.
Are you comparing the decisions of monkeys and other predatory animals driven by instinct to that of human beings? Do we seriously have that little faith in humanity? I thought we as humanity were more than that, I thought that we finally escaped the cruel clutches of mother nature and started making our own decisions, ones that don't involve killing for convenience.
As for blaming, I don't believe I've ever uttered that word. The point of this exercise was to play devils advocate, and thus far I was under the impression that that is what I was doing. I would never in a million years blame anyone for such a difficult decision, at the end of the day it is up to that person to decide the faith of their unborn child.
Are you comparing the decisions of monkeys and other predatory animals driven by instinct to that of human beings?
I am, because you did.
Do you seriously have that little faith in humanity? I thought we as humanity were more than that, I thought that we finally escaped the cruel clutches of mother nature and started making our own decisions, ones that don't involve killing for convenience.
Yes, we are capable of making our own decisions. But sometimes the only choices open to us are bad ones. Sometimes people make decisions that you don't approve of, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to make them. They're the ones who have to live with the consequences of their decisions, not you. If we had the kind of universal support to ensure that families have all the food, shelter, education, health care and everything else needed to make a good life for themselves I'd agree with you. Yes, absolutely, abortion shouldn't even be a question except in cases of dire medical need. But that's not the world we live in. The women most likely to have abortions are women who already have children and can't handle another, women who are at risk because they're pregnant and women who can't afford to take care of themselves let alone the high cost of medical care during and after pregnancy.
In a perfect world abortion could be considered nothing but immoral. We don't live in that world, which is why no one has the right to tell a woman she has to stay pregnant when she decides it's not right for her or her family.
It's a really hard role to play, and you did it remarkably well. I was trying very hard not to use language that would address your arguments rather than attacking you and I see at one point I failed to do so.
I hate the role, but felt it was needed so that we can get the real true answers out there. I hope that even one person will read this and make the realization.
I know right, it must be difficult to argue for hours and years for what you may be totally against. I guess these people get desensitized to those feelings over the years.
True, but again you opened this by saying "mother nature isn't that cruel" when in fact it's worse.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketsc...pregnant-monkeys-abort-when-new-males-arrive/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/baby-animals-rescued-mothers/
When resources are scarce and times are stressful, animals will not only spontaneously abort but they'll even kill their own young. Humans doing so becomes neither unusually cruel nor unnatural but a difficult choice when faced with untenable choices. Blaming women simply because they're not rich enough to afford the cost of pregnancy or raising another child is unacceptable.
Are you comparing the decisions of monkeys and other predatory animals driven by instinct to that of human beings? Do we seriously have that little faith in humanity? I thought we as humanity were more than that, I thought that we finally escaped the cruel clutches of mother nature and started making our own decisions, ones that don't involve killing for convenience.
As for blaming, I don't believe I've ever uttered that word. The point of this exercise was to play devils advocate, and thus far I was under the impression that that is what I was doing. I would never in a million years blame anyone for such a difficult decision, at the end of the day it is up to that person to decide the faith of their unborn child.
I am, because you did.
Yes, we are capable of making our own decisions. But sometimes the only choices open to us are bad ones. Sometimes people make decisions that you don't approve of, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to make them. They're the ones who have to live with the consequences of their decisions, not you. If we had the kind of universal support to ensure that families have all the food, shelter, education, health care and everything else needed to make a good life for themselves I'd agree with you. Yes, absolutely, abortion shouldn't even be a question except in cases of dire medical need. But that's not the world we live in. The women most likely to have abortions are women who already have children and can't handle another, women who are at risk because they're pregnant and women who can't afford to take care of themselves let alone the high cost of medical care during and after pregnancy.
In a perfect world abortion could be considered nothing but immoral. We don't live in that world, which is why no one has the right to tell a woman she has to stay pregnant when she decides it's not right for her or her family.
Thank you for this. This is exactly what I believe. Im finished my role of playing the DA, it actually made me feel like shit. :D
It's a really hard role to play, and you did it remarkably well. I was trying very hard not to use language that would address your arguments rather than attacking you and I see at one point I failed to do so.
I'm sorry you felt like shit. I did too when I played the role.
It really makes me wonder how some people like lawyers are able to defend clients that they know are in the wrong.
I hate the role, but felt it was needed so that we can get the real true answers out there. I hope that even one person will read this and make the realization.
I know right, it must be difficult to argue for hours and years for what you may be totally against. I guess these people get desensitized to those feelings over the years.