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  • picklefingers
    +16

    Going to point out that this was probably a moderator action, not an admin action

    • White
      +9

      Yeah, moderators over at TIL are apparently notorious for removing posts like that.

      • alapseofsanity
        +12

        Sometimes I do wonder if these kind of extremist attitudes in society are just a phase or something I should be worried about.

        When I see this kind of stuff happen I always try to remind myself, "hey, these people are just a very vocal minority. They aren't representative of anyone else." But then I see friends get sucked into it and I watch people go through public shamings and then I just wonder if this is all leading somewhere bad.

        I mean, can't we read a story about a woman-on-male rape that turns into a false rape accusation and be able to say, "yeah this is bad," without making it a contest? Can't I think all kinds of rape are bad?

        • Kysol
          +7

          Rape / Domestic Violence is bad, end of story. It doesn't matter what gender the perpetrator was, it shouldn't be accepted or ignored in our society. I just don't see how they could justify it as a tabloid article. It's a serious subject, and it happens and shouldn't be covered up.

          • picklefingers
            +8

            The problem I see with a lot of these things is that everybody tries to make it fit their groups narrative, even if they side with the other groups on the issue. If there is a female on male rape, you see womans groups trying to bring the focus back to male on female while mens groups complaining that not enough female on male rape is talked about. The same goes for the other way. For a male on female rape, mens groups will try to bring the focus on the lack of coverage on female on male rapes and womens groups will focus on the mens groups focus rather than the actual rape.

            The problem is that nobody is objectively analyzing. "Rapes are bad." "How can we stop rapes". Instead, it becomes a proxy to start another gender debate.

        • Artorius
          +6

          The "very vocal minority" is one that destroys lives. I know two men in my small circle of acquaintances, whose lives were virtually destroyed by false rape claims. Both shown to be demonstrably false, but their lives (and in one case, his marriage), was shattered.

          Young men are now turning away from college and certain professions, such as teaching, because of the risk of participation. That is wrong.

        • Moderator
          +3

          I've started to worry about it a little. Granted, most of the extremism I see is online, but there's so much of it and I see that it's really becoming dangerous. Unfortunately, I think it will only continue to escalate until some very bad things happen. These people are almost mental; so sure of themselves, so angry, so rigid. They're satisfying something inside them, but it's completely juvenile the way they're going about it. Normally people can catch themselves when they're into something bad, but in the context of social justice everything they do and feel seems justified, and any opposition will seem evil. It really makes me sad.

          Good new is that you're right, most people are fine. People like that have deep-rooted issues to begin with. If anything, their extremism just makes it easier to spot the crazies.

          • White
            +6

            Unfortunately very bad things are already happening under the guise of "social justice". I've seen many instances of people's lives being ruined simply because they were accused of something that didn't happen. Too many self-proclaimed "Social Justice Warriors" don't see people as people but as categories.

            • alapseofsanity
              +3

              Yeah that's kind of why I'm scared. Moderator is right in the sense that these are people with very deep-seeded issues lashing out, but it's the real-world consequences of their actions that scare me.

              I recently read So You've Been Publicly Shamed by Jon Ronson, and the stories of some of the people in there scared me so much I went through my entire facebook history and deleted anything that could be skewed as remotely questionable. Hell, there was a lot of stuff in there that was blatantly questionable because I have a very dark sense of humor. That's sorta why I feel scared. Seeing my friends get drawn into it just makes me paranoid, like someone is going to lash out one day and I'll be next.

              Or maybe I'm just way too fucking anxious. That could be possible as well.

            • Moderator (edited 3 years ago)
              +3
              @alapseofsanity -

              I can relate. I tread more carefully in social situations than I used to. I'll gladly talk to someone about these issues, but if I get even a whiff of Tumblr-type extremism I simpsonsgif the heck out of there. Frankly, a lot of it is just regular human stupidity, but it's taken a dangerous form. Counter-movements are counter-productive, so I can only hope someone on their side rises up to lead them back to the plot.

          • i208khonsu
            +4

            If you give idiots a platform to speak, people will advertise what stupid people say. It's not only a vocal minority, it's that gossip is human nature. It's not fun to gossip about people's reasonable opinions, it's fun to gossip about stupid people. This is just a side effect of mass adoption of Internet access. You just have to trust that the average person is a reasonable enough to come to a sensible conclusion.

  • Kysol (edited 3 years ago)
    +6

    Ninja Edit: Not Pao bashing, that image was just there and I couldn't remove.

    I remember seeing that article on Reddit pop up but I didn't look at it. Sad to see that censorship stoop to this level. I'm actually glad that I'm over here at Snapzu now.

    • drunkenninja
      +9

      Seriously, they should be walking on egg shells yet they are full steam ahead in their crusade. I for one am glad you guys are coming here, its great to see this place grow so quickly!

      • Kysol
        +5

        I'm not one to harp on these things, I'm just seeing it as "news" because one of the biggest websites on the net just imploded. A lot of questionable actions have been made over the past few days. I know XKCD summed it up perfectly when it comes to the rights of the platform in regards to free speech, but when they allow the gender-reversed equivalent only, someone's moral compass out of whack.

        • Moderator
          +5

          Right. A big turn off for me is the inconsistency, not just with the recent move but their actions over the past few months. Much of what they are preaching now is up for interpretation (mostly their own), and that's proving to be a shaky platform to rule from. Funny enough, I think their attempts at transparency have done nothing but reveal a startling naivete. A mostly silent administration would have been able to hide in the shadows, but their current hobby of getting spit on by the commoners is not a good look.

          • bogdan
            +7

            It looks obvious to me that the people in charge at the moment have no clue how Reddit works.

            • Kysol
              +4

              Change of Guard with no prior training ?

  • Tawsix
    +6

    Well... it's their website to run into the ground after all. Honestly though, most of reddit likes to get all up-in-arms for a little while and then the next time a dank meme gets posted it goes out of their mind. Reddit can be a good resource if you stick to the niche subs, but as a whole community it's kind of garbage. It really doesn't help that many of the most popular subs are basically being turned into outposts for those with extraordinarily radical views to push their agendas, and it just so happens that their CEO subscribes to those ideals. Company culture will reflect that and so nothing will be done: as long as the hugbox is preserved and feels > reals, those in charge will insist everything is fine no matter how much water the ship is taking on.

  • MGTOW
    0

    What an evil woman.

    Women ruin everything.

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