That said, how can you be so sure you know exactly how prevalent and institutional bigotry is?
By my own experiences, not what a media with an agenda says.
I've lived in neighborhoods that were "integrated" only by my presence, they ceased to be when I moved. I've lived on both coasts, north an south. I've spent more than a month in 44 of the 48 contiguous states. I know and believe what I see.
What you see as bigotry, I can't argue with. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Trump is blunt. That appeals to some, and utterly turns some off.
Can you admit there’s something ugly underneath nativism?
What you call nativism, I call patriotism. But my youngest years were in south Florida, and I dimly remember the missile crisis. I clearly remember doing duck and cover drills in elementary school. I joined the military during some of the warmest parts of the cold war, so my outlook is very different from most younger folks.I lived the first half of my life 30 minutes from the end of civilization, and maybe life on the planet.
Until the bigots get out of hand. Beyond that, people need to die. You might need a March to the Sea. Or a D-Day. Or whatever.
When they start rounding people up for death camps, I'll be there fighting. The organized violence from Antifa and associated cowards who have to cover their faces to bravely throw bottles and m-80s or sucker punch people is going to get someone killed, then one or both sides will have the martyrs they crave.
Re-think your sources of information then. For real.
Point me to some. Exclude NYT, WaPo, CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or any late night "comedian" they are all shit for actual news. Propaganda, they do very well. NPR, BBC and Al Jazera are sometimes ok, though NPR is sliding.
Note: I don't care about the latest gossip about which celebrity is sleeping with whom or their political opinions. I'm not really interested in the latest outrage, poutrage, or fauxrage of the day of either side. Trump is going to be the president for the next 4 years (maybe 8 if the left keeps self-destructing, certainly if Clinton is the dem candidate). He's not going to be impeached. No do overs or take backs.
There’s a video clip of CNN playing in some open tab in the background right now, and it’s bunny-faced ‘experts’ putting the same kind of B-movie acting into Russiagate as Republicans used to put into their Benghazi crocodile tears. Can’t they hear themselves? It’s cringe-inducing. Things like that; the new war of the month; the way corporate media mishandled the Sanders campaign; the vaunted, glorious beauty of our weapons systems; they all combine to give you an idea how trustworthy the press is. And they’re not. I couldn’t vouch for any source , let alone one you should blindly accept at face value. I’m not even going to claim that there are any that are worthwhile, as they’ve by and large all unmasked themselves lately.
What I will say is that no, I wasn’t talking about patriotism. Then again, I thought it was patriotic to call the Vietnam War what it was, so you and I might mean different things by that. If you’ve got patriotism mixed up with what Trump’s about, you might wanna look harder. Hint: Brownshirts don’t stay in the picture long, and it doesn’t end well for anyone. And if you’ve got no end of things you can hawk up for spitting at anti-fascists but you’re certain hate crimes are all fake, you may need to broaden your newsgrazing territory a bit. That or pare it down, FFS.
CNN lost me for good when they said it would be illegal to read wikileaks, I had to trust them to report on it. I can rarely watch the five or Hannity on Fox, and local network news. My TV, when it's on, is usually on sports or Netflix/Prime
0< number of hate incidents/crimes > number reported
0 < number of racists/ misogynists /nazis/actual deplorables > number reported
Where on that spectrum, we'll have to disagree.
I've seen enough of war to know that protesting it usually is patriotic. Afghanistan was necessary, and good, until they turned it into nation building, then it was shit. Iraq was completely unnecessary the second time, and questionable the first. Panama was good. Grenada was good. Vietnam was shit, but you have to look at it through the bipolar world of the cold war to understand it. Everything before that, I only know from history books, and those are written by the victors.
This has been a good conversation. I like to talk to people who know how to disagree without being disagreeable. Happens too rarely.
Missed that part, I think.
By my own experiences, not what a media with an agenda says.
I've lived in neighborhoods that were "integrated" only by my presence, they ceased to be when I moved. I've lived on both coasts, north an south. I've spent more than a month in 44 of the 48 contiguous states. I know and believe what I see.
What you see as bigotry, I can't argue with. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Trump is blunt. That appeals to some, and utterly turns some off.
What you call nativism, I call patriotism. But my youngest years were in south Florida, and I dimly remember the missile crisis. I clearly remember doing duck and cover drills in elementary school. I joined the military during some of the warmest parts of the cold war, so my outlook is very different from most younger folks.I lived the first half of my life 30 minutes from the end of civilization, and maybe life on the planet.
When they start rounding people up for death camps, I'll be there fighting. The organized violence from Antifa and associated cowards who have to cover their faces to bravely throw bottles and m-80s or sucker punch people is going to get someone killed, then one or both sides will have the martyrs they crave.
Point me to some. Exclude NYT, WaPo, CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or any late night "comedian" they are all shit for actual news. Propaganda, they do very well. NPR, BBC and Al Jazera are sometimes ok, though NPR is sliding.
Note: I don't care about the latest gossip about which celebrity is sleeping with whom or their political opinions. I'm not really interested in the latest outrage, poutrage, or fauxrage of the day of either side. Trump is going to be the president for the next 4 years (maybe 8 if the left keeps self-destructing, certainly if Clinton is the dem candidate). He's not going to be impeached. No do overs or take backs.
There’s a video clip of CNN playing in some open tab in the background right now, and it’s bunny-faced ‘experts’ putting the same kind of B-movie acting into Russiagate as Republicans used to put into their Benghazi crocodile tears. Can’t they hear themselves? It’s cringe-inducing. Things like that; the new war of the month; the way corporate media mishandled the Sanders campaign; the vaunted, glorious beauty of our weapons systems; they all combine to give you an idea how trustworthy the press is. And they’re not. I couldn’t vouch for any source , let alone one you should blindly accept at face value. I’m not even going to claim that there are any that are worthwhile, as they’ve by and large all unmasked themselves lately.
What I will say is that no, I wasn’t talking about patriotism. Then again, I thought it was patriotic to call the Vietnam War what it was, so you and I might mean different things by that. If you’ve got patriotism mixed up with what Trump’s about, you might wanna look harder. Hint: Brownshirts don’t stay in the picture long, and it doesn’t end well for anyone. And if you’ve got no end of things you can hawk up for spitting at anti-fascists but you’re certain hate crimes are all fake, you may need to broaden your newsgrazing territory a bit. That or pare it down, FFS.
CNN lost me for good when they said it would be illegal to read wikileaks, I had to trust them to report on it. I can rarely watch the five or Hannity on Fox, and local network news. My TV, when it's on, is usually on sports or Netflix/Prime
0< number of hate incidents/crimes > number reported
0 < number of racists/ misogynists /nazis/actual deplorables > number reported
Where on that spectrum, we'll have to disagree.
I've seen enough of war to know that protesting it usually is patriotic. Afghanistan was necessary, and good, until they turned it into nation building, then it was shit. Iraq was completely unnecessary the second time, and questionable the first. Panama was good. Grenada was good. Vietnam was shit, but you have to look at it through the bipolar world of the cold war to understand it. Everything before that, I only know from history books, and those are written by the victors.
This has been a good conversation. I like to talk to people who know how to disagree without being disagreeable. Happens too rarely.