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Stephen Reacts To Trump Calling Him 'A No-Talent Guy'

President Trump finally got around to addressing one of the biggest threats to America: Stephen Colbert.

 

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  • Gozzin
    +4

    The gauntlet has been thrown. This is priceless!!!

  • ckshenn
    +2

    Ruthless. Can you imagine a free press in Russia mocking Putin in this way...

    • NotWearingPants
      +4

      According to AntiFa and their supporters, the death camps for this type of thing are already being built.

      • AdelleChattre
        +2

        I've got a guess who's most bothered by the antics of anti-fascists. And no, I'm not thinking particularly of the Black Bloc police agents provocateur that always seem to be milling around nearby.

        • NotWearingPants
          +3

          People who wear masks and assault people they disagree with are "the most reasonable people in america"?

          AntiFA = Anti First Amendment

          • AdelleChattre
            +3

            Not buying that Nazis and white supremacists are unpopular because of their powerful devotion to free speech. I‘m actually a bit suspicious of any story that simple. You’re not, like at all?

            • NotWearingPants
              +4

              "Nazi", "white supremacist", "racist" and "misogynist" have become synonyms for "People I don't like" and "People I disagree with" for a large group in this country. According to these special snowflakes, the half of the country that voted for Trump all fit into one of those categories. They have used those words so often, so loudly, and so inappropriately, that they have lost any meaning except to virtue signal to their fellow mental defectives.

              Do these bad people exist? Certainly. Are they as widespread as some would like to (or have to) believe? Certainly not.The SPLC estimated the KKK has between 3000 and 8000 members nationwide in approximately 190 chapters.. A bit shy of the ~62M that voted for Trump.

              What about all the Nazi symbols and hate graffiti being found everywhere? Found everywhere in predominately areas that voted for Hillary. Time after time, it's the church member that burned down the church to "draw attention" to racism. It's the Jewish person who painted the swastika, the black college student that painted the racial epithet, the SJW who put the Quran in the toilet. All to "draw attention".

              It's the law of the free market, I suppose. There isn't enough racism or hate in the country, so someone has to step in and manufacture it.

              As far as free speech goes, the 1st amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech. Even hateful speech. These idiots in Antifa are free to call everyone they don't like whatever names they want (though they have no credibility doing so, and no sense of history). Escalating to violence to 'protect" (what exactly?) from speech they are offended by, not so much.

            • AdelleChattre (edited 4 months ago)
              +4
              @NotWearingPants -

              According to these special snowflakes, the half of the country that voted for Trump all fit into one of those categories.

              You might not’ve picked up on it. It was very subtle, as he was only campaigning for president at the time when people started to notice. It turns out the president is a bigot. He’s not particularly sly with it either. He’s no Lee Atwater. So you can probably imagine the confusion when somewhat less than half the electorate voted for him. I’m not saying they made the wrong choice. Seems to me there wasn’t a choice in this election, unless you for some reason really had wanted to select between a corrupt, warmongering monarchist and a TV-makeup Know-Nothing goombah gadfly. It amounted to a choice between giving Clinton her dream of leading America’s in its fiery final stand against the Soviet Union, or Hair Furor’s equally compelling vision of fully realizing a rather dark Alan Moore novel.

              The SPLC estimated the KKK has between 3000 and 8000 members nationwide in approximately 190 chapters..

              I’m actually glad to see you citing the Southern Poverty Law Center. It’d be a bad sign if you’d squared off with them as an enemy. Still, even in a Southerner’s honor culture, it’s probably not too big a stretch to suggest that there are Nazis and white supremacists out there that may not be card carrying members of the KKK, right? Like the president? That is, assuming he hasn’t got the same status in the Klan as his father had.

              A bit shy of the ~62M that voted for Trump.

              I know you don’t see bigotry. So ingrained is your habit of denying there is such a thing that every so often you need reminding there is. Kind of like the Chief Justice, who declared that racism was over when he gutted the Voting Rights Act and made possible the election of your man Trump. Maybe the problem is thinking that racism is just a personality problem, a person calling someone else something rude, and not a system of control with broad influence over our society and roots reaching as far into our past as across and obscuring our future.

              All to “draw attention”.

              Know what? I don’t happen to agree that it’s all the Jews and the blacks behind the explosion of overt racism in the Trump Era. Sure, some are fake. Absolutely. Let’s talk about who it is that stands to gain from convincing people that they’re all fake, that there never was any Holocaust, and that Hitler had some very strong points to make, shall we?

              There isn’t enough racism or hate in the country, so someone has to step in and manufacture it.

              The modern Republican motto.

              As far as free speech goes, the 1st amendment isn’t there to protect popular speech. It’s there to protect unpopular speech.

              Yeah, I still don’t think Nazis and white supremacists are unpopular because of their principled devotion to free speech. What other elements of Nazism and white supremacy do you think may explain their unpopularity?

            • NotWearingPants
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              @AdelleChattre -

              Hair Furor

              Haven't heard that one, I'm so stealing it.

              I know you don’t see bigotry. So ingrained is your habit of denying there is such a thing that every so often you need reminding there is.

              I grew up in the deep south with a father that named his black lab "nigger" so he could yell at it "Come here nigger" at the dog in the yard and piss certain people off. I joined the military to get away from that and spent 24 years on 4 continents and all over the US. I've lived in and spent time in nice places and not-nice places. both large-city urban and deeply rural. Bigotry exists, but it is not nearly as prevalent nor as institutional as some people are screaming.

              Draw attention

              The last one that I saw was real was the Charleston church shooting. Not a single graffiti one/non violent one has been proven true and many have been proven false. What leads me to belive most of them are false is where they are happening. (Not in red counties where all those "racists" live)

              explosion of overt racism in the Trump Era.

              I see an explosion of the MSM calling things racism. Deporting illegals or building a wall to keep them out isn't about anyone's race, it's about being here illegally. Not wanting to allow immigration from certain countries, or provide additional vetting, isn't racism. (Muslim is a religion, not a race. And there are far more predominately muslim populated countries than the 6 or 7 on the last ban EOs that were not affected. But "racism" is of course the favored byword of the talking heads who live in expensive gated communities and send their kids to private schools.

              It's called the Big Lie. And people that lack critical thinking skills will conflate race, religion, legal status and swallow the shit that the MSM feeds them. "I saw it on CNN/Daily Show/ABC et al so it must be true"

              My 1A point isn't about their unpopularity, it's about their right to speak. They are afforded the right to be stupid, offensive racists and even to display it to prove it. Turning violent because it offends you or even might offend you is the exact wrong play. Mocking laughter is much more effective.

              No one has the right to not be offended.

            • AdelleChattre
              +3

              Bigotry exists, but it is not nearly as prevalent nor as institutional as some people are screaming.

              Some people are idiots. That said, how can you be so sure you know exactly how prevalent and institutional bigotry is? Because some people are idiots? Bad answer.

              The last one that I saw was real was the Charleston church shooting.

              That’s astonishing. As in a controversial belief. I will grant you the majority of the hate crimes you see on right wing websites are fake, in the about the same way that wrong numbers are never busy.

              This, however, is an argument from ignorance. You don’t know about it, so it’s not happening. Spot a flaw in this argument? Is it that only the Mother Emmanuel Massacre counts as a hate crime? Because saying that was the last “real” one is fucking nuts.

              What leads me to belive most of them are false is where they are happening.

              I have nothing good to say about this reasoning.

              Not in red counties where all those “racists” live

              I can’t even begin to keep track of where the ignorance of the people you’re describing as hate crime hoaxers leaves off and where your deep misunderstanding of how bigotry works takes over. I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks in Portland, Oregon. People in my neighborhood would go to nicer parts of town to commit their crimes. By your logic here, my neighborhood would’ve been the worst in town, instead of the Norman-Rockwell-gone-slumming unpretentious community it was.

              Deporting illegals or building a wall to keep them out isn’t about anyone’s race, it’s about being here illegally.

              For you, maybe. For Trump, if we’re to take him at his word, it’s very much a bigoted thing. I’m right there with you that it’s possible to enforce immigration law without specifically doing so for reasons of ugly, nativist bigotry. Let’s not pretend, you and me though, that it never is. Because that’s obviously not true.

              But “racism” is of course the favored byword of the talking heads who live in expensive gated communities and send their kids to private schools.

              The Muslim ban is a Muslim ban. You can navel gaze all you want about how Trump ran on banning Muslims because he wanted to stick it to people that think they’re better than you, but the unpleasant fact is he did it because he’s an ignorant, moronic, bigoted fuckwit. One whose petty hatreds, unthinking bigotry, and love of hearing his own voice pretty much let the cat out of the bag about his unconstitutional Muslim ban.

              It’s called the Big Lie.

              You mean like “there hasn’t been a hate crime since Charleston?”

              And people that lack critical thinking skills will conflate race, religion, legal status and swallow the shit that the MSM feeds them.

              I’ve got whatever rational detachment it takes not to get suckered by the mindset you’re talking about here. Can you admit there’s something ugly underneath nativism?

              Turning violent because it offends you or even might offend you is the exact wrong play.

              Point well taken. I’m sure Milo Yiannopoulos only foments riots at his appearances to get that kind of response. Court victories aren’t only more satisfying, they’re more effective.

              Mocking laughter is much more effective.

              To a point. Until the bigots get out of hand. Beyond that, people need to die. You might need a March to the Sea. Or a D-Day. Or whatever.

              No one has the right to not be offended.

              Agreed. One reason ...

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            • NotWearingPants
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              @AdelleChattre -

              The last real one that I saw

              Missed that part, I think.

              That said, how can you be so sure you know exactly how prevalent and institutional bigotry is?

              By my own experiences, not what a media with an agenda says.

              I've lived in neighborhoods that were "integrated" only by my presence, they ceased to be when I moved. I've lived on both coasts, north an south. I've spent more than a month in 44 of the 48 contiguous states. I know and believe what I see.

              What you see as bigotry, I can't argue with. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Trump is blunt. That appeals to some, and utterly turns some off.

              Can you admit there’s something ugly underneath nativism?

              What you call nativism, I call patriotism. But my youngest years were in south Florida, and I dimly remember the missile crisis. I clearly remember doing duck and cover drills in elementary school. I joined the military during some of the warmest parts of the cold war, so my outlook is very different from most younger folks.I lived the first half of my life 30 minutes from the end of civilization, and maybe life on the planet.

              Until the bigots get out of hand. Beyond that, people need to die. You might need a March to the Sea. Or a D-Day. Or whatever.

              When they start rounding people up for death camps, I'll be there fighting. The organized violence from Antifa and associated cowards who have to cover their faces to bravely throw bottles and m-80s or sucker punch people is going to get someone killed, then one or both sides will have the martyrs they crave.

              Re-think your sources of information then. For real.

              Point me to some. Exclude NYT, WaPo, CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or any late night "comedian" they are all shit for actual news. Propaganda, they do very well. NPR, BBC and Al Jazera are sometimes ok, though NPR is sliding.

              Note: I don't care about the latest gossip about which celebrity is sleeping with whom or their political opinions. I'm not really interested in the latest outrage, poutrage, or fauxrage of the day of either side. Trump is going to be the president for the next 4 years (maybe 8 if the left keeps self-destructing, certainly if Clinton is the dem candidate). He's not going to be impeached. No do overs or take backs.

            • AdelleChattre
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              @NotWearingPants -

              There’s a video clip of CNN playing in some open tab in the background right now, and it’s bunny-faced ‘experts’ putting the same kind of B-movie acting into Russiagate as Republicans used to put into their Benghazi crocodile tears. Can’t they hear themselves? It’s cringe-inducing. Things like that; the new war of the month; the way corporate media mishandled the Sanders campaign; the vaunted, glorious beauty of our weapons systems; they all combine to give you an idea how trustworthy the press is. And they’re not. I couldn’t vouch for any source , let alone one you should blindly accept at face value. I’m not even going to claim that there are any that are worthwhile, as they’ve by and large all unmasked themselves lately.

              What I will say is that no, I wasn’t talking about patriotism. Then again, I thought it was patriotic to call the Vietnam War what it was, so you and I might mean different things by that. If you’ve got patriotism mixed up with what Trump’s about, you might wanna look harder. Hint: Brownshirts don’t stay in the picture long, and it doesn’t end well for anyone. And if you’ve got no end of things you can hawk up for spitting at anti-fascists but you’re certain hate crimes are all fake, you may need to broaden your newsgrazing territory a bit. That or pare it down, FFS.

            • NotWearingPants
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              @AdelleChattre -

              CNN lost me for good when they said it would be illegal to read wikileaks, I had to trust them to report on it. I can rarely watch the five or Hannity on Fox, and local network news. My TV, when it's on, is usually on sports or Netflix/Prime

              0< number of hate incidents/crimes > number reported

              0 < number of racists/ misogynists /nazis/actual deplorables > number reported

              Where on that spectrum, we'll have to disagree.

              I've seen enough of war to know that protesting it usually is patriotic. Afghanistan was necessary, and good, until they turned it into nation building, then it was shit. Iraq was completely unnecessary the second time, and questionable the first. Panama was good. Grenada was good. Vietnam was shit, but you have to look at it through the bipolar world of the cold war to understand it. Everything before that, I only know from history books, and those are written by the victors.

              This has been a good conversation. I like to talk to people who know how to disagree without being disagreeable. Happens too rarely.

    • kxh
      +3

      Yes, but it wouldn't end well for the press.

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