Except the rules on snapzu explicitly state that hate and trolling tribes are not allowed. This community is not new, and their philosophy is completely different than reddits or voats, and the least all of us new people can do is respect that and adapt to it.
I respect it, I just don't agree with it. I'm not going out of my way to create any such tribe or get others to do so, but at the same time I believe that they should have the right to and that the rules should be changed to allow that. From what i've seen thus far, this site seems very well done and the community pretty pleasant. However, that doesn't mean I think it's perfect and if it's going to grow than with growth comes change. The direction this all takes remains to be seen, but personally I think this place would benefit in the long run if the rules we're discussing were altered.
I personally think these rules are what we sign up for. If we want different rules and a different experience we go elsewhere. Perhaps it is the very rules that ban hate and trolling that appeal to people who choose to sign up. it is a welcome relief and we should not have to give this up because another site can't manage itself.
I strongly agree with this. The "anything goes" attitude at reddit may have been a built-in characteristic of the site, and I understand why it appeals to some, but it was never the reason I joined. What drew me to reddit was the civil, fascinating discussions between redditors, and that's mostly gone because of the toxicity.
If keeping Snapzu in this wonderful state means an ongoing enforcement of anti-trolling behavior, then I'm all for it. I realize it will not draw the "freedom of speech" crowd from reddit, but I really don't care if they just go elsewhere like Voat.co, which have clearly stated FoS as a core value.
Exactly; it's not as if the "free speech above all else" crowd looking to leave reddit doesn't have any alternative, since Voat.co pretty clearly prioritizes what they're looking for. They have a place with Voat, so let those of us who really want to steer clear of the toxicity have place as well.
Coming into someone else's home and telling them that you want them to let you wear shoes indoors even when its been the rule for years that you take them off at the door is just plain rude.
I have a membership here, just as you do. So is this not my home now as well? I may not be head of the household, but I do reside here now, do I not? Therefore, should I not be allowed to express my opinion and say when I agree or disagree with rule or regulation that is in place so that I may then try to help shape the future of my new home? You see you can't say that all the former redditors are welcome here and then claim that we're in your house and need to show some respect. We are all members here, and thus should all be listened to and treated equally.
It is neither my nor your home. It is the admin's home, we are just house guests. We live by their rules or we get evicted. Its this sense of self-entitlement that led to so many of the problems at reddit, and we should do our best to avoid it taking root here.
I agree that self-entitlement was an issue on reddit, however I must disagree with you on this not being "our home" so to speak. As I said before, we certainly don't own or lead this "household", and thus don't get to make the rules that come along with it. However, as members of the community, we do "live" within the confines of this "home" and thus should have the right to express our opinions on what is and is not allowed here, and thus the directions in which the "heads of the household" take us. After all, that's why many of us are here today, because we didn't care for the direction that previous leaders were taking us.
This is not correct. Those are rules of etiquette, but on the What is Snapzu? page, it says this:
No censorship: We strongly believe that transparency and freedom of speech is vital to any community, especially online. For this reason, submitted content belongs to users and thus can never be removed. As the community grows and expands, we will continue keeping our censorship-free ideology as a top priority to uphold.
Threatening - Don't threaten people, you wouldn't threaten someone at your birthday party. Don't PM threats and don't post any type of threats in snaps / text posts or comments.
Harmful - Whatever you wouldn't do to yourself because your brain instinctively tells you "its bad", don't do to other people. Unless you're a psychopath, then, just, use the code that your father taught you on how not to hurt others.
Unlawful - Illegal stuff gets everyone in trouble, so lets not do illegal stuff. Don't post illegal downloads, music, pictures or anything else that would otherwise land you in jail if engaged in on another medium (like a bazaar).
Abusive - Don't partake in abusive behaviour either by yourself or in a group. No witch hunts, no bullying, no posting of personal information, anything that you would dread happening to you, DON'T do it to others.
Harassment - It's alright to have a heated discussion on whatever topic comes to mind, but don't continue to repetitively PM someone after they have given you obvious signs that they have concluded their discussion with you. By obvious we mean obvious, harassment will not be tolerated in any form.
Libellous - Don't post personal information, don't post defamatory content about other individuals. I'm sure everyone of us hates negative untrue rumors going around about ourselves, this is even worse.
Because some of us think the problem was not the rules but the lack of transparency, consistency and communication? As long as the admins make an effort to be fair, communicate clearly what they are doing and where do they want the community to go, I've no problems with it. As a bonus the snapzu community seems more positive than the reddit community so I intend to stay even if reddit admins get back on track.
Except the rules on snapzu explicitly state that hate and trolling tribes are not allowed. This community is not new, and their philosophy is completely different than reddits or voats, and the least all of us new people can do is respect that and adapt to it.
I respect it, I just don't agree with it. I'm not going out of my way to create any such tribe or get others to do so, but at the same time I believe that they should have the right to and that the rules should be changed to allow that. From what i've seen thus far, this site seems very well done and the community pretty pleasant. However, that doesn't mean I think it's perfect and if it's going to grow than with growth comes change. The direction this all takes remains to be seen, but personally I think this place would benefit in the long run if the rules we're discussing were altered.
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Coming into someone else's home and telling them that you want them to let you wear shoes indoors even when its been the rule for years that you take them off at the door is just plain rude.
I have a membership here, just as you do. So is this not my home now as well? I may not be head of the household, but I do reside here now, do I not? Therefore, should I not be allowed to express my opinion and say when I agree or disagree with rule or regulation that is in place so that I may then try to help shape the future of my new home? You see you can't say that all the former redditors are welcome here and then claim that we're in your house and need to show some respect. We are all members here, and thus should all be listened to and treated equally.
It is neither my nor your home. It is the admin's home, we are just house guests. We live by their rules or we get evicted. Its this sense of self-entitlement that led to so many of the problems at reddit, and we should do our best to avoid it taking root here.
I agree that self-entitlement was an issue on reddit, however I must disagree with you on this not being "our home" so to speak. As I said before, we certainly don't own or lead this "household", and thus don't get to make the rules that come along with it. However, as members of the community, we do "live" within the confines of this "home" and thus should have the right to express our opinions on what is and is not allowed here, and thus the directions in which the "heads of the household" take us. After all, that's why many of us are here today, because we didn't care for the direction that previous leaders were taking us.
This is not correct. Those are rules of etiquette, but on the What is Snapzu? page, it says this:
From the TOS:
Yup. Same as the rules on reddit. (Which brings up the question... why are so many former redditors here, then?)
Because some of us think the problem was not the rules but the lack of transparency, consistency and communication? As long as the admins make an effort to be fair, communicate clearly what they are doing and where do they want the community to go, I've no problems with it. As a bonus the snapzu community seems more positive than the reddit community so I intend to stay even if reddit admins get back on track.