I agree. Yeah I'm going to go against the grain and say that this shouldn't be a place where you can say anything. There are plenty of communities out there, but this one shouldn't tolerate abusive behavior. Friendliness is an essential part of snapzu's core being and I don't want that to disappear just so one can be free to bully others or make remarks that look down upon race, gender, sexuality or anything else like that. They can congregate at 4chan, reddit or voat for that ;)
Friendliness is an essential part of snapzu's core being and I don't want that to disappear just so one can be free to bully others or make remarks that look down upon race, gender, sexuality or anything else like that.
I appreciate that there are like-minded people on Snapzu, so that even though Snapzu as a site is permissive of alternate ideologies, as a community Snapzu doesn't have to welcome or tolerate bigotry.
There's a massive 'freedom of speech' argument going on at Reddit right now. Right now, all these arguments translate to me as 'free speech for bigots', or even 'safe spaces for bigots'. Meanwhile the vulnerable have to self-censor themselves either out of caution or just out of desire to not have to put up with shit, including tolerating and 'educating' racists on the error of their ways.
In the end, the funny thing to me is that Reddit as a whole, by their actions, are encouraging the bigots to speak their minds and disseminate their ideas, whereas the targets of their vitriol just have to put up and shut up. All in the name of free speech and tolerance on a privately owned website.
Edit: Sorry for the rant OP. Welcome to the website. :)
Reddit has a strange form of "free speech", anyway. Say something unpopular? It'll get downvoted so much, nobody will ever see it. The problem I see is not that there's "too much free speech", it's that there's not enough pluralism. A good example is something like Black Lives Matter. If you want to hear what white conservatives think about it, go to reddit! Oh, you might find a few, heavily-downvoted white liberals, too. Will you hear from any black activists? Hahahahaaaha! Not bloody likely.
So, that's what reddit is. Free speech for the majority, whatever that is, and everybody else gets silenced.
Reddit as a whole, by their actions, are encouraging the bigots to speak their minds and disseminate their ideas, whereas the targets of their vitriol just have to put up and shut up
I've noticed the same thing. Reddit protects the trolls and troublemakers and only drops the hammer on them when what they are doing draws unwanted attention to Reddit,which i find disgusting. BTW, excellent rant.
Yeah, they've really gone the distance to keep the dregs of its userbase around. One network of subreddits is well on its way to surpassing Stormfront as the #1 white nationalist site on the internet. Any reasonable group of administrators would have taken decisive action long before this point.
I guess it depends on what you classify as "bad behavior". A lot of the worst people from reddit migrated to voat after /r/FatPeopleHate was banned, and now they make up a large portion of its userbase. Until issues with their hosting providers forced them to ban it, the administration was happy to provide a safe haven for inappropriate pictures of minors on their site. That its ultimate banning caused a sizeable backlash from voat's userbase tells me they're not the kind of crowd I'd want to hang around.
Maybe it's only the subverses (voat's equivalent of subreddits and tribes) I frequent then... But voat has some restrictions on up/down voting for newer accounts, maybe it helps a bit too.
True. I've seen the same on reddit as well: if you can isolate yourself enough in smaller and/or well-moderated sections of a site, you can avoid much of the garbage that might be elsewhere.
"Organized harassment" seems to be where admins are drawing the line. Gamergate got shut down on 4chan for the same reason FatPeopleHate got shut down on reddit.
Agreed. It seems way too many take "free speech" as a license to be a complete asshole. Those jerks should go off to voat or 8chan and live in their free speech will never die hatey hate hate paradise.
Au contraire,I'm quite happy at it.
I agree. Yeah I'm going to go against the grain and say that this shouldn't be a place where you can say anything. There are plenty of communities out there, but this one shouldn't tolerate abusive behavior. Friendliness is an essential part of snapzu's core being and I don't want that to disappear just so one can be free to bully others or make remarks that look down upon race, gender, sexuality or anything else like that. They can congregate at 4chan, reddit or voat for that ;)
I appreciate that there are like-minded people on Snapzu, so that even though Snapzu as a site is permissive of alternate ideologies, as a community Snapzu doesn't have to welcome or tolerate bigotry.
There's a massive 'freedom of speech' argument going on at Reddit right now. Right now, all these arguments translate to me as 'free speech for bigots', or even 'safe spaces for bigots'. Meanwhile the vulnerable have to self-censor themselves either out of caution or just out of desire to not have to put up with shit, including tolerating and 'educating' racists on the error of their ways.
In the end, the funny thing to me is that Reddit as a whole, by their actions, are encouraging the bigots to speak their minds and disseminate their ideas, whereas the targets of their vitriol just have to put up and shut up. All in the name of free speech and tolerance on a privately owned website.
Edit: Sorry for the rant OP. Welcome to the website. :)
Reddit has a strange form of "free speech", anyway. Say something unpopular? It'll get downvoted so much, nobody will ever see it. The problem I see is not that there's "too much free speech", it's that there's not enough pluralism. A good example is something like Black Lives Matter. If you want to hear what white conservatives think about it, go to reddit! Oh, you might find a few, heavily-downvoted white liberals, too. Will you hear from any black activists? Hahahahaaaha! Not bloody likely.
So, that's what reddit is. Free speech for the majority, whatever that is, and everybody else gets silenced.
I've noticed the same thing. Reddit protects the trolls and troublemakers and only drops the hammer on them when what they are doing draws unwanted attention to Reddit,which i find disgusting. BTW, excellent rant.
Yeah, they've really gone the distance to keep the dregs of its userbase around. One network of subreddits is well on its way to surpassing Stormfront as the #1 white nationalist site on the internet. Any reasonable group of administrators would have taken decisive action long before this point.
Great find!!!
I haven't noticed so much bad behavior on voat yet. I hope it stays this way for a while.
I guess it depends on what you classify as "bad behavior". A lot of the worst people from reddit migrated to voat after /r/FatPeopleHate was banned, and now they make up a large portion of its userbase. Until issues with their hosting providers forced them to ban it, the administration was happy to provide a safe haven for inappropriate pictures of minors on their site. That its ultimate banning caused a sizeable backlash from voat's userbase tells me they're not the kind of crowd I'd want to hang around.
Maybe it's only the subverses (voat's equivalent of subreddits and tribes) I frequent then... But voat has some restrictions on up/down voting for newer accounts, maybe it helps a bit too.
True. I've seen the same on reddit as well: if you can isolate yourself enough in smaller and/or well-moderated sections of a site, you can avoid much of the garbage that might be elsewhere.
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Agreed. It seems way too many take "free speech" as a license to be a complete asshole. Those jerks should go off to voat or 8chan and live in their free speech will never die hatey hate hate paradise.
As am I..And if they can't throw their weight around here, there are other places they can go.