Are you upgrading to Windows 10? Why or why not?
This is the first time in my life I have had a computer where I have had to consider upgrading. In the past, I've had cheap laptops that usually came with the most up to date version.
I'm a fan of the technical preview, but it sure is buggy.
What is everyone's reasoning for upgrading or not upgrading? I'm leaning towards doing it.
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I am not an early adopter when it comes to Microsoft products. I never trust anything they release until they push out at least one major revision. After that it's usually stable enough to use. So no, I will not be upgrading to Windows 10 right away at least until they come out with Service Pack 1.
Honestly, I understand why everyone is worried about stability, but so far for me the recent tech release builds have all been shockingly stable. They've done pretty extensive testing for launch this time.
I have too much experience with Microsoft products. A lot of the alpha and beta builds looked good, and then the final release was a security/usability nightmare. I'll let other people shake out those headaches first.
Besides, I'd use Linux at work if they'd let me get away with it.
I have the preview running on my laptop and I'll upgrade to the release version as soon as it comes out, but I'm only doing this because I only have windows there to play a couple of games that doesn't have a Linux version yet. Everything "serious" is done on Linux (which is the default boot on Grub).
I agree with you that a new MS OS should not be trusted at least for 6 months. I already have some pevees with Windows 10. Most notably the bunch of "Metro" apps on the "All Programs" section of the Start Menu that can't be moved or hidden. I manage to get rid of most of them by booting Linux and deleting some files manually in a few places, but there's still many that won't go away, so Classic Shell is still a must.
And they still haven't cured the schizophrenic mess that is settings on the system. There's still a bunch of options that open on "Metro" settings panel and other that open on traditional dialogs, other send you to the old control panel... Make up you mind Microsoft.
They let me. In fact, it was a choice between distro of my choice or a Mac. Easy decision.
Do they have an office in Denver? And are they hiring?
Denver, represent!
Also, I'd use Linux at work too. I'm forced to use Windows, though I can't complain too much. It is work , after all.
I love Denver. That's why I came back here after living in Australia. It beat the hell out of Iowa.
This, right here, is the sad commentary on life in the US that I hear the most. And it applies to me just as much. I work to get by, that's it. And I'm supposed to be grateful for it.
I honestly don't know. We own a ton of stuff, some of it in the US. But mostly in Canada.
How about Victoria? I'd totally pull up roots and move to Vancouver Island.
Quite likely. We have a large chunk of the news country wide and always acquire more.
Though, I'm just starting out so I couldn't help you get a job there, especially that far from headquarters.
News? Oh, that's kind of ironic. I'm working for a broadcasting corporation now. Not that it gives me much of an edge since it's just level 1 service desk.
Are they treating you well?
So far so good. Nothing to get excited about. It's work and it pays the bills.
@ spaceghoti -
A fellow Midwesterner who also moved to Denver? I grew up in Illinois and heartily agree.
You're so right. You know what? I'm tired of that mentality. I've been feeling so frustrated with work lately. I'm not expanding my skill set, I haven't learned anything new here in the past year, and I certainly haven't gotten any better or worse at doing the grunt work that I've been assigned. There is little to no vertical career movement in the nonprofit world and staying with this job is hardly providing any opportunities to do so. I'm going to start looking for new jobs.
Ah, no sorry. I didn't mean to mislead you. I'm originally from New York, in the Buffalo south towns. I originally moved to Denver in 1994 but left for Australia in 2001 to get married and find work. Failing to find work I came back to the States by way of Iowa and spent eighteen months finding a way to get the hell out.
Unfortunately what I'm finding is that most jobs are only offering the same horizontal career options. There's no interest in retaining employees, only demands of loyalty from us with none offered in return. Honestly, if I could quit to focus on more creative pursuits without worrying about starving or finding myself homeless I'd do it in a heartbeat. But our hypercapitalistic society not only doesn't allow for it but it actively frowns on it.
Sorry, I had to vent there myself. It's a touchy subject with me. ;)
That's fair, I can only know my experience which has been positive. I guess many more bugs likely will appear as the hardware running it becomes more varied on official release.
Same I'm running the Insider Preview at the moment and I have had 0 issues (build 10162). This operating system has been tested by over 5 million volunteers I believe. I'm sure that might be some minor glitches/issues on some devices, but I'm sure by and large it will work perfectly fine.
Windows 8.1 was rock solid stability wise the only problem was the random bugs(update, wifi etc) and the interface.
I will be upgrading since it's free
I've been using the Insider Preview since Build 9926 and I'm probably Windows 10's greatest fan. Now, at build 10166; Windows is incredibly polished, remarkably fast, and completely enjoyable to use. On top of that it has achieved a level of unwavering reliability, beautiful aesthetics, and record breaking security features. Most of this is due to input from Windows Insiders (millions of them) like myself, suggestion features and mandating where improvements needed to be made in order to get this right. Microsoft took that feedback and did amazing and wonderful things with it. Windows 10 will last longer on corporate accounts than XP did. It's more reliable and beautiful than 7 and it stripped everything that sucked about Windows 8 and added it's on personality and charm to what we know of Windows Operating System to make something really just amazing. I probably sound like a fan boy here but I absolutely hated Windows 8. I'm telling you, this is the next big thing. Though everyone is nervous about the upgrade and most would have you wait until a few weeks after RTM, I'd be the one guy telling you to just go ahead, join the Insider Program, and upgrade now! :P Windows 10 is amazing. I wouldn't change a thing.
Shoutout to /t/Windows10 - for news/support/discussion blah blah blah.... :)
Actually, you sound like a Microsoft PR rep. Not trying to insult, just saying.
I don't take it as an insult. I'd happily take that job if it were offered to me haha. If I was on Snapzu around the time of the W8 release you would have been reading very different comments from me though, I'll have you know.
Who else would write something like this:
And Reddit rears it's ugly head.
Seriously. I don't know why redditors have this weird paranoia that anybody who is actually a fan of something and like posting info about it is just some corporate shill.
Besides, if I was a corporate shill I'd be off spending all my fancy corporate money somewhere doing something better than hanging out on the internet. :P I mean, maybe not some people, but definitely me! :P Even now, in 2015, it's a crime to be a fan of something and express it when somebody asks for your opinion. I consider myself well written so perhaps it was the lack of bad internet grammar and spelling that tipped someone off to my corporate heritage.
May have been more appropriate?
You'd especially be better off spending your time some place else besides Snapzu, a website with only 15,000 people. Sounds like Microsoft needs to work on their shilling methods a bit.
I'll be sure to tell my supervisor our efforts are better spent on Reddit and Voat.
Probably was carried over from Slashdot and Digg. I was around /. since late 90's, an I tell you, there were lots of shills there. It didn't help that most arcticles about linux came with a banner add for Microsoft products.
There's a certain breed of techies that are prone to light paranoia.
I actually agree. This is the best Windows release I've ever used. It is just... beautiful. Smooth, fast, fully featured.
It just seems to leave you as much space and resources to do what you want with it. Also, start menu is back. Don't use edge or cortana much, but the other small tweaks from windows 7, along with the performance and appearance improvements, make it awesome for me.
Swear I'm not a Microsoft PR rep, I just really love this version :).
I actually agree. This is the best Windows release I've ever used. It is just... beautiful. Smooth, fast, fully featured.
It just seems to leave you as much space and resources to do what you want with it. Also, start menu is back. Don't use edge or cortana much, but the other small tweaks from windows 7, along with the performance and appearance improvements, make it awesome for me.
Swear I'm not a Microsoft PR rep, I just really love this version :).
What are some of the record breaking security features?
I'm unsure if you intended your comment to be facetious, but given the benefit of the doubt here is some excellent material on the updated security features available in Windows 10. Incredibly for the first time many enterprise security features are baked directly into even Home editions of Windows 10.
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Everything ive heard is more security holes than features (ie: sharing wifi passwords via facebook). I certainly havent heard anything record breaking or revolutionary in regards to security around windows 10. Hopefully most of this will be able to be disabled in GPO (i havent checked yet)
most have said that of windows 7. And in fact, you will find windows 7 will probably be the mainstay for a time being. Heck the last three companies i worked for just finished their XP decom last year, and they were considered ahead of the game.
Realiability is literally impossible to prove, its not out yet. Windows 7 has seen enterprise and customer releases, this hasnt.
you do. thats okay. I would caution upgrades myself, MS has a horrid history in that department, a clean image was always best practice, and i doubt this release will be much different. in fact i would hope their claims on the seamlessness of the upgrades. given all the possible hardware platform combinations, doesnt become this releases undoing.
It's easy to be skeptical after the horrific ordeal many of us went through with 8 and 8.1, and I don't blame people for being so thus. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Mine happens to be that Windows 10 will be a great success. I never claimed to be an expert or that I was providing a detailed and factual list of improvements or specifications, simply the things I've experienced subjectively in my 6-8 months with the Insider Preview and my thoughts at this time. I certainly didn't share my feelings about the operating system with the intention or hope to have them be nit-picked to pieces by Redditors. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to read.
I wasn't even really considering 8/8.1 as those were fairly painless compared to previous releases (vista, ME etc). I supposed that does include 8 and 8.1 as well though, they didn't even have a grip on the name of the new interface until the last minute. I have worked with and administered both windows servers and windows desktops for a long time, it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release, only to find the real release to be a totally different story. No one is attacking you for your opinion, rather I merely rebutted several points made in your comment line by line.
10 is making a lot of changes from what I hear (i.e. one example being windows updates), which makes me cautious of their claims, especially in the security realm. The true test of 10 is not the consumer market, but the business dekstop market. this is where like a very large % of their market share comes from, and is a principle reason why Linux and OSX haven't touched MS's desktop market share despite their popularity with consumers. Microsoft seems to be losing sight of this however, with their major releases stacking up more and more. Companies don't upgrade on that fast of a timeline, as getting a company to X OS can and does take years.
I think the general consensus is that most businesses did NOT update to Win8/8.1 though and that they would instead, in this specific case, make the upgrade to 10 (if they were to upgrade at all. many as you know are still on win xp) so really the stacked releases only effected the majority of consumer machines, rather than causing a bunch of turmoil. After the initial release I'm not even sure Microsoft continued to push businesses to upgrade from 7, another big reason I think they are offering the free upgrade to users of 7 as well as 8. Small businesses with Home and Pro PC's are a huge market as well and covering them in the free upgrade program is a massive coverage of conversion to the new software for them.
Continuing to defend my comment I think that as things have evolved SPECIFICALLY since the release of Win 8.1/ WP 8.1 / Win10, I think that there are many more people, myself included, with valid opinions on the operating system having seen the introduction if the Tech / Dev / Insider Preview systems. Having these systems in place and getting the software in the hands of normal users months early have really given these people a very real and very complete view of the entire operating system pre-release. There are more than a million people that are memebers of the Insider Program, a great many who have experience with the new operating system. I think if you'd ask most of them their thoughts on specific things my sentiments on the matter would be echoed loudly. Before Win 8.1 we didn't have a system for regular users to touch the software pre-release outside of controlled environments and the number of people seeing/using/and testing the software was limited and usually bias, so when you say:
I don't really think that applies to the Win10 generation of operating systems. There is a very large group of people that again, echo the sentiments of my post, sprinkled through out the internet. I don't think there's anything extraordinary about my post outside of my mediocre writing skills. Appearing to have writing skills and use of adjectives beyond that of a 5th or 6th grader has proved only to lead to negative comments about a fan being particularly proud of a product by a company he enjoys and I don't think that's very fair.
I very much so equate this to picking on the nerds and geeks in high school. That kids wearing a Pokémon shirt, what a faggot. How dare he like something so much that he wears a t-shirt with his interest on it. This kid is playing D&D in the lunchroom, who does he think he is bringing his nerdy crap into school. There's nothing wrong with getting excited about a product or service that's provided to you by a company, and equally so I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing that enthusiasm in a relevant post or article in an online community that's filled with people of shared interest. Especially when OP is asking for opinions, of which I provided. I never said,
The guy asked for a decision I was making and asked me to provide my reason for following through with the action I listed. You can't be wrong about your reasoning to do something like installing an operating system. When I upgraded to Windows 10 I had a subjective view ...
... Read FullThere is a simple flaw in some of these programs however. These are not typical users, even a million of them. These are not the 95% of people in the world that will have to deal with the OS, so the true test comes in its supportability and useability for these folks. That is all im saying.
Sure it does. You are doing it youself. You even admitted as much in your original comment. It applies with all new tech.
I....uh....never said that. Not sure where its being quoted from. You have an opinion, its and pretty enthusiastic. I also have an opinion, based much more on indifference to OS but more with experience. There is nothing wrong with either opinion, neither is right or wrong (mostly - i do take issue with "record setting security features" on a couple levels but i digress.).
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If its free, I will upgrade. I think my business laptop will be upgraded automatically.
Are you saying that your business isn't still running some long outdated and unpatched version of windows? I envy you sir.
If you have a laptop with Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 you can get a free upgrade for up to a year (I believe) after they release it.
Details on Windows Website
If you're running a non-genuine version of these OS's, this should be an interesting read for you.
Exactly, but I think some people have been confused by what the "up to a year" bit means. Just to clarify, if you upgrade within the year, you have the OS for free for the life of the device, you don't have to pay for it after a year.
Ah fair point! Hadn't thought about that part. Granted, I read every article about Windows 10 release before buying my laptop that has Windows 8.1 just so I knew what I was getting into
No worries, I've done a lot of reading too and see the same comments every time about the one year thing. So I figured I should add that little detail to prevent any potential misconceptions.
I've been upgraded for months.
In my opinion, it is really, really good.
What's so good about it?
Performance has been better than 8, the layout is awesome, start menu is back (and IMO improved), modern UI improvements, really good computer wide search built into the task bar, built in modern apps are well made and simple, but also not required by any means and not obtrusive.
Overall, I can do what I want with it, it runs well, looks great, and I really have no complaints. Not sure what more I could ask for in an OS.
Be careful, if you're too well written or approve of the product too much someone will accuse you of being a PR rep. Better say something bad about W10 before somebody sees.
It's usually worth waiting a while to see how things pan out and wait for some of the initial bugs to be fixed, so that's probably what I'll do before I consider upgrading
It's usually advisable to wait for a little after release to upgrade so that any major bugs can be fixed, but I'll upgrade anyways when it's available. Will probably image my HDD before doing anything. Might also take the opportunity to do a fresh install.
No idea what kind of computer you have, but I'm running it on a 4 year old Samsung ultrabook and it is the smoothest, least buggy OS I've used. At least for the last couple builds. Not sure you have too much to worry about if you upgrade
Prior to Windows 7, I made it a habit to do a clean install every six months ... back then I had lots of free time, HDDs were smaller, and I often installed things that shouldn't have been installed. Now, I do a clean install when Windows gets an upgrade. It makes my computer feel new again. Also, it will allow me to create a clean refresh image.
No, because I paid extra to get Windows 7 over Windows 8. And I don't much see the point in switching to a "Windows 8 that looks a bunch more like Windows 7!"
Paid extra?
I bought a retail copy of Windows 7 and installed it over my Win 8 laptop. Tracking down the drivers were a nightmare, but I really don't like Windows 8. Granted, Windows 10 fixes most of the problems, but I'm kind of taking a, "Why bother?" stance. Everything works now, so I see no reason to upgrade.
What brand laptop
It's an ASUS. I really like it! The keyboard is that modern style where the keys require a bit more pressure, but those seem mostly standard at this point. And other than that, I've been really happy with it.
You could have downloaded the ASUS Windows 7 ISO and installed a totally legitimate OS for free
I looked into that, but I didn't have a valid Windows 7 product key, and downgrading from Windows 8 to 7 required a copy of Windows 8 Pro.
Nope because I'm on a dinosaur laptop and Windows 7 seems to be working just fine. Also there's no guarantee that some of my essential programs will be working on Windows 10 so it's definitely a no go.
I'm on an older laptop as well, and 10 actually seems to work better than 7 on this one. Not saying you should do it or not, but might be worth trying it via dual boot for a while or something.
Do you mind sharing the specs of your laptop?
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/pcs/NP900X4C-A01US-specs
This is what I got for the time being. Money is tight, can't afford anything better right now:
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-15...ome-premium-3-gb-ram-250-gb-hdd-series/specs/
I am not sure OS X Yosemite can be be upgraded to Windows 10.
Ha! I'm surprised you're the first comment I've seen like this. I love my MacBook and OS X Yosemite. But I still like Windows on my desktop.
I have an ambivalent relationship with Windows. I have to use it at work but would mostly prefer not to use it at home. Yet the newer versions of windows are better than the old ones I used to have that would irritate me.
No thanks. I use Windows at work and that's it. At home I use Linux. I've been testing out Windows 10 in Virtualbox and I just don't see it as an upgrade from what I'm already using.
I think I'm going to wait for awhile. Don't know why people hate on Windows 8 so much I love everything about it and with the Classic Shell extension added to the mix everything is much more usable and take things back to looking like Windows 7 but still looking as pretty as Windows 8. Is it true that Windows 10 will be free? Can you upgrade from Windows 8?
I did an in-place upgrade from 8.1 to the Win10 technical preview with no issues. It basically installed Windows 10 like a Service Pack. (Via Windows Update)
As for the cost, for the first year you can upgrade from 7/8 to 10 for free.
Also, no more need for classic shell in Win10, the start menu is back and not terrible.
I'm doing it. My linux distro is Arch so that might tell you something on whether I like to have the most recent update or not. I'm willing to work through the problems. Though I'm telling all of my family members to wait a little while. I don't wan't to be potentially spending a good chunk of my time fixing their computers, because I know that is what is going to happen.
I've got no reason to not upgrade. Everything should work at least acceptably, and I enjoy poking and futzing around with OSes. The only thing that kind of has me hesitating is the complete inability to stall updates. I don't see corporations taking kindly to that kind of thing since a lot of in-house software is built to certain service packs and OS builds.
Oh I am excited for Windows 10. I think it will be a much better improvement on my desktop because it will have WAY more desktop compatibility than Windows 8.1. The start menu returns!
It's like every second big OS release is good, where the ones in between are crap. XP, 7, and 10? Great. 2000, Vista and 8? Garbage.
I'm going to give it a week just to see if there are any massive bugs or anything.
No. I might check it out in a VM though. But 7 was the last windows OS I used and plan on keeping it that way. I was not a fan of the direction Microsoft pushed with 8 and then the back pedaling with 8.1 just cemented the idea that they don't understand the majority of their users. 10 does look a lot better but I've already left that ship for a better one.
I don't really see any reason not to. I've heard nothing but good things about the preview, it's free, and I'm going to upgrade at some point so why not do it on the 29th when it releases?
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No, I'm a linux user and have no desire to use windows again
No. I haven't been on Windows in 5 years in any form, server or desktop. I'll stick with linux for servers and Mac OS X for desktops.
Not yet. With the way Windows releases typically go, I'd rather watch my early adopter friends for the first 6 months to a year to see what kind of bugs there are. Even then I'm usually forced into it by buying a new PC or laptop. I still miss XP. That was the Microsoft OS that just made the most sense to me.
But, if something in 10 wows me, or if it looks less frustrating to use than their last OS, I may pick it up about the time service pack 1 comes out.
meh why not? I only use windows for anything not Linux compatible so even if its shit if its got a better interface I might as well.
Most of what I've read about Windows 10 so far has been overwhelmingly positive, so that's a good start. I'm not really a fan of Windows 8.1, so that's another good reason. And it's a free upgrade, so we're three for three so far. :)
Honestly, I really just don't like Windows 8.1. It's a fine OS, but I found Windows 7 to be superior for what I would typically use it for on a day-to-day basis. Windows 10's overall usability, from what I've read, seems to sit somewhere in between Windows 7 and 8.1. And I'm quite okay with this.
Yes, I most probably will upgrade. I've tried the preview and it looks great so far, although I might install it in a separate partition of even a new hard drive to help with the transition, as I'm still on Windows 7.
I bought vista in the summer of 2008 while building a new rig, was too cheap to upgrade when 7 came out a year later, and didn't like 8 so I reinstalled vista on my summer 2013 build. No free upgrade, and GTA5 and ARK won't run for me, so upgrade it is! People flame vista a lot, it has its quirks but I don't think it's as bad as people try to make it out to be... Perhaps I'm biased using it for the last 7 years lolol