It's easy to be skeptical after the horrific ordeal many of us went through with 8 and 8.1, and I don't blame people for being so thus. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Mine happens to be that Windows 10 will be a great success. I never claimed to be an expert or that I was providing a detailed and factual list of improvements or specifications, simply the things I've experienced subjectively in my 6-8 months with the Insider Preview and my thoughts at this time. I certainly didn't share my feelings about the operating system with the intention or hope to have them be nit-picked to pieces by Redditors. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to read.
I wasn't even really considering 8/8.1 as those were fairly painless compared to previous releases (vista, ME etc). I supposed that does include 8 and 8.1 as well though, they didn't even have a grip on the name of the new interface until the last minute. I have worked with and administered both windows servers and windows desktops for a long time, it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release, only to find the real release to be a totally different story. No one is attacking you for your opinion, rather I merely rebutted several points made in your comment line by line.
10 is making a lot of changes from what I hear (i.e. one example being windows updates), which makes me cautious of their claims, especially in the security realm. The true test of 10 is not the consumer market, but the business dekstop market. this is where like a very large % of their market share comes from, and is a principle reason why Linux and OSX haven't touched MS's desktop market share despite their popularity with consumers. Microsoft seems to be losing sight of this however, with their major releases stacking up more and more. Companies don't upgrade on that fast of a timeline, as getting a company to X OS can and does take years.
I think the general consensus is that most businesses did NOT update to Win8/8.1 though and that they would instead, in this specific case, make the upgrade to 10 (if they were to upgrade at all. many as you know are still on win xp) so really the stacked releases only effected the majority of consumer machines, rather than causing a bunch of turmoil. After the initial release I'm not even sure Microsoft continued to push businesses to upgrade from 7, another big reason I think they are offering the free upgrade to users of 7 as well as 8. Small businesses with Home and Pro PC's are a huge market as well and covering them in the free upgrade program is a massive coverage of conversion to the new software for them.
Continuing to defend my comment I think that as things have evolved SPECIFICALLY since the release of Win 8.1/ WP 8.1 / Win10, I think that there are many more people, myself included, with valid opinions on the operating system having seen the introduction if the Tech / Dev / Insider Preview systems. Having these systems in place and getting the software in the hands of normal users months early have really given these people a very real and very complete view of the entire operating system pre-release. There are more than a million people that are memebers of the Insider Program, a great many who have experience with the new operating system. I think if you'd ask most of them their thoughts on specific things my sentiments on the matter would be echoed loudly. Before Win 8.1 we didn't have a system for regular users to touch the software pre-release outside of controlled environments and the number of people seeing/using/and testing the software was limited and usually bias, so when you say:
it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release
I don't really think that applies to the Win10 generation of operating systems. There is a very large group of people that again, echo the sentiments of my post, sprinkled through out the internet. I don't think there's anything extraordinary about my post outside of my mediocre writing skills. Appearing to have writing skills and use of adjectives beyond that of a 5th or 6th grader has proved only to lead to negative comments about a fan being particularly proud of a product by a company he enjoys and I don't think that's very fair.
I very much so equate this to picking on the nerds and geeks in high school. That kids wearing a Pokémon shirt, what a faggot. How dare he like something so much that he wears a t-shirt with his interest on it. This kid is playing D&D in the lunchroom, who does he think he is bringing his nerdy crap into school. There's nothing wrong with getting excited about a product or service that's provided to you by a company, and equally so I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing that enthusiasm in a relevant post or article in an online community that's filled with people of shared interest. Especially when OP is asking for opinions, of which I provided. I never said,
"Microsoft Expert here, here are the cold stone facts about Windows 10 that have been proven by a double blind trial study which has been peer reviewed."
The guy asked for a decision I was making and asked me to provide my reason for following through with the action I listed. You can't be wrong about your reasoning to do something like installing an operating system. When I upgraded to Windows 10 I had a subjective view ...
I think the general consensus is that most businesses did NOT update to Win8/8.1 though and that they would instead, in this specific case, make the upgrade to 10 (if they were to upgrade at all. many as you know are still on win xp) so really the stacked releases only effected the majority of consumer machines, rather than causing a bunch of turmoil. After the initial release I'm not even sure Microsoft continued to push businesses to upgrade from 7, another big reason I think they are offering the free upgrade to users of 7 as well as 8. Small businesses with Home and Pro PC's are a huge market as well and covering them in the free upgrade program is a massive coverage of conversion to the new software for them.
Continuing to defend my comment I think that as things have evolved SPECIFICALLY since the release of Win 8.1/ WP 8.1 / Win10, I think that there are many more people, myself included, with valid opinions on the operating system having seen the introduction if the Tech / Dev / Insider Preview systems. Having these systems in place and getting the software in the hands of normal users months early have really given these people a very real and very complete view of the entire operating system pre-release. There are more than a million people that are memebers of the Insider Program, a great many who have experience with the new operating system. I think if you'd ask most of them their thoughts on specific things my sentiments on the matter would be echoed loudly. Before Win 8.1 we didn't have a system for regular users to touch the software pre-release outside of controlled environments and the number of people seeing/using/and testing the software was limited and usually bias, so when you say:
it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release
I don't really think that applies to the Win10 generation of operating systems. There is a very large group of people that again, echo the sentiments of my post, sprinkled through out the internet. I don't think there's anything extraordinary about my post outside of my mediocre writing skills. Appearing to have writing skills and use of adjectives beyond that of a 5th or 6th grader has proved only to lead to negative comments about a fan being particularly proud of a product by a company he enjoys and I don't think that's very fair.
I very much so equate this to picking on the nerds and geeks in high school. That kids wearing a Pokémon shirt, what a faggot. How dare he like something so much that he wears a t-shirt with his interest on it. This kid is playing D&D in the lunchroom, who does he think he is bringing his nerdy crap into school. There's nothing wrong with getting excited about a product or service that's provided to you by a company, and equally so I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing that enthusiasm in a relevant post or article in an online community that's filled with people of shared interest. Especially when OP is asking for opinions, of which I provided. I never said,
"Microsoft Expert here, here are the cold stone facts about Windows 10 that have been proven by a double blind trial study which has been peer reviewed."
The guy asked for a decision I was making and asked me to provide my reason for following through with the action I listed. You can't be wrong about your reasoning to do something like installing an operating system. When I upgraded to Windows 10 I had a subjective view of an operating system that at that point in time was (and is now) true to me and me alone. There are plenty of people here who have a different (slightly or otherwise) opinion to mine. That doesn't make it wrong or meaning it is in need of correction by another user. Subjective opinion, and I think that's the biggest point I'm trying to make here, so I'll leave it at that.
Having these systems in place and getting the software in the hands of normal users months early have really given these people a very real and very complete view of the entire operating system pre-release. There are more than a million people that are memebers of the Insider Program, a great many who have experience with the new operating system. I think if you'd ask most of them their thoughts on specific things my sentiments on the matter would be echoed loudly. Before Win 8.1 we didn't have a system for regular users to touch the software pre-release outside of controlled environments and the number of people seeing/using/and testing the software was limited and usually bias, so when you say:
There is a simple flaw in some of these programs however. These are not typical users, even a million of them. These are not the 95% of people in the world that will have to deal with the OS, so the true test comes in its supportability and useability for these folks. That is all im saying.
it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release
I don't really think that applies to the Win10 generation of operating systems.
Sure it does. You are doing it youself. You even admitted as much in your original comment. It applies with all new tech.
"Microsoft Expert here, here are the cold stone facts about Windows 10 that have been proven by a double blind trial study which has been peer reviewed."
I....uh....never said that. Not sure where its being quoted from. You have an opinion, its and pretty enthusiastic. I also have an opinion, based much more on indifference to OS but more with experience. There is nothing wrong with either opinion, neither is right or wrong (mostly - i do take issue with "record setting security features" on a couple levels but i digress.).
It's easy to be skeptical after the horrific ordeal many of us went through with 8 and 8.1, and I don't blame people for being so thus. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Mine happens to be that Windows 10 will be a great success. I never claimed to be an expert or that I was providing a detailed and factual list of improvements or specifications, simply the things I've experienced subjectively in my 6-8 months with the Insider Preview and my thoughts at this time. I certainly didn't share my feelings about the operating system with the intention or hope to have them be nit-picked to pieces by Redditors. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to read.
I wasn't even really considering 8/8.1 as those were fairly painless compared to previous releases (vista, ME etc). I supposed that does include 8 and 8.1 as well though, they didn't even have a grip on the name of the new interface until the last minute. I have worked with and administered both windows servers and windows desktops for a long time, it is pretty standard for a subset of individuals to make extraordinary claims pre-release, only to find the real release to be a totally different story. No one is attacking you for your opinion, rather I merely rebutted several points made in your comment line by line.
10 is making a lot of changes from what I hear (i.e. one example being windows updates), which makes me cautious of their claims, especially in the security realm. The true test of 10 is not the consumer market, but the business dekstop market. this is where like a very large % of their market share comes from, and is a principle reason why Linux and OSX haven't touched MS's desktop market share despite their popularity with consumers. Microsoft seems to be losing sight of this however, with their major releases stacking up more and more. Companies don't upgrade on that fast of a timeline, as getting a company to X OS can and does take years.
I think the general consensus is that most businesses did NOT update to Win8/8.1 though and that they would instead, in this specific case, make the upgrade to 10 (if they were to upgrade at all. many as you know are still on win xp) so really the stacked releases only effected the majority of consumer machines, rather than causing a bunch of turmoil. After the initial release I'm not even sure Microsoft continued to push businesses to upgrade from 7, another big reason I think they are offering the free upgrade to users of 7 as well as 8. Small businesses with Home and Pro PC's are a huge market as well and covering them in the free upgrade program is a massive coverage of conversion to the new software for them.
Continuing to defend my comment I think that as things have evolved SPECIFICALLY since the release of Win 8.1/ WP 8.1 / Win10, I think that there are many more people, myself included, with valid opinions on the operating system having seen the introduction if the Tech / Dev / Insider Preview systems. Having these systems in place and getting the software in the hands of normal users months early have really given these people a very real and very complete view of the entire operating system pre-release. There are more than a million people that are memebers of the Insider Program, a great many who have experience with the new operating system. I think if you'd ask most of them their thoughts on specific things my sentiments on the matter would be echoed loudly. Before Win 8.1 we didn't have a system for regular users to touch the software pre-release outside of controlled environments and the number of people seeing/using/and testing the software was limited and usually bias, so when you say:
I don't really think that applies to the Win10 generation of operating systems. There is a very large group of people that again, echo the sentiments of my post, sprinkled through out the internet. I don't think there's anything extraordinary about my post outside of my mediocre writing skills. Appearing to have writing skills and use of adjectives beyond that of a 5th or 6th grader has proved only to lead to negative comments about a fan being particularly proud of a product by a company he enjoys and I don't think that's very fair.
I very much so equate this to picking on the nerds and geeks in high school. That kids wearing a Pokémon shirt, what a faggot. How dare he like something so much that he wears a t-shirt with his interest on it. This kid is playing D&D in the lunchroom, who does he think he is bringing his nerdy crap into school. There's nothing wrong with getting excited about a product or service that's provided to you by a company, and equally so I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing that enthusiasm in a relevant post or article in an online community that's filled with people of shared interest. Especially when OP is asking for opinions, of which I provided. I never said,
The guy asked for a decision I was making and asked me to provide my reason for following through with the action I listed. You can't be wrong about your reasoning to do something like installing an operating system. When I upgraded to Windows 10 I had a subjective view ...
... Read FullThere is a simple flaw in some of these programs however. These are not typical users, even a million of them. These are not the 95% of people in the world that will have to deal with the OS, so the true test comes in its supportability and useability for these folks. That is all im saying.
Sure it does. You are doing it youself. You even admitted as much in your original comment. It applies with all new tech.
I....uh....never said that. Not sure where its being quoted from. You have an opinion, its and pretty enthusiastic. I also have an opinion, based much more on indifference to OS but more with experience. There is nothing wrong with either opinion, neither is right or wrong (mostly - i do take issue with "record setting security features" on a couple levels but i digress.).