• idlethreat
    +3

    In cases like this, it don't really matter. The goal of the claims was to get the idea into the american consciousness. Time will tell if it was successful or not.

    • joethebob
      +5

      Basically yes. If you can yell a narrative with a loud enough voice repeatedly, lots of people won't strain to hear the 'We screwed up and none of that is true' that follows in a whisper.

      • idlethreat
        +4

        Yep. That's been SOP of the GOP going on for decades now. You can explain technicalities all you like. But if you manage to get a sound bite that makes the opposing folks look bad, you can play it enough to damage them severely.

    • spaceghoti
      +3

      However, if we're intent on challenging the idea then it helps to point out that even conservatives with skin in the game can't validate the claim. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. And while I realize that facts often have no relevance to a cherished rhetoric, sticking to the facts help paint us as the reasonable ones.