• Qukatt
    +5

    i liked the new star trek movies. But... like... not as star trek movies? if that makes sense. If you take the franchise out they are still wonderfully fun action flicks with Karl Urban (mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) and Simon Pegg (mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)

    • spaceghoti
      +5

      Sure, if you pretend they aren't actually related to Star Trek in any way then they're...still riddled with holes, inconsistencies and bad plot devices that make no logical sense. Ensign Chekov, who has finished the academy, gets outranked by pretty much every single cadet brought onto the Enterprise?

      Then Abrams goes and shows he can do a faithful reproduction of a genre with Star Wars without trying to "fix it" and I just want to reach through my screen to strangle him.

    • Qukatt
      +5
      @spaceghoti -

      don't care: Karl Urban

      I've enjoyed many a action romp full of plot holes. They just never get picked apart because they don't try to attach themselves to any long standing fanbase. Like pretty much any Jason Statham film ever after Americans discovered him.

      The problem is that Star Trek movies were always intellectual Scifi first and action maybe.. third or fourth in the list of priorities and these new ones are just going "hey lookee here i'm star trek!!!" without acknowledging that at it's core and for a very long time Star Trek was a look at humanity and raised all the philosophical questions of it's time. People seem to think what the younger fans want is explosions when really it would benefit them and us greatly to stay true to the deep core.

      So one one hand, they are horrendous and awful star trek films. There's no way that Kirk et all came from that mob of unruly hormonal children; it's impossible to believe. On the other.. it's a great set of films for Netflix and Chill - nothing challenging, good zippy dialogue in places, explosions and you don't have to watch it for the plot cause really it's not hard to grasp.

      Also Mr Pegg's Scottish wife really paid off and his accent was spot on which is brilliant for me as a Scottish person after years of really awful attempts from actors and our own people foregoing theirs for BBC English.

      Plot holes that you can stick your leg through and wear as well worn jeans are great for when you need background noise :D

      Then you can always go watch a really good, perfectly crafted film like Scott Pilgrim.

    • CrookedTale
      +3
      @spaceghoti -

      But But R2-D2 was in the movies as well! How could you not like that! I think he had more screen time in "Into Darkness" then he had in the new star wars movie.

    • spaceghoti
      +4
      @Qukatt -

      The problem is that Star Trek movies were always intellectual Scifi first and action maybe.. third or fourth in the list of priorities and these new ones are just going "hey lookee here i'm star trek!!!" without acknowledging that at it's core and for a very long time Star Trek was a look at humanity and raised all the philosophical questions of it's time. People seem to think what the younger fans want is explosions when really it would benefit them and us greatly to stay true to the deep core.

      This is why I really, really hate Abrams and wish I could curse him with the fleas of a thousand camels for trying to "fix" the genre. With friends like him we don't need enemies.

      Then you can always go watch a really good, perfectly crafted film like Scott Pilgrim.

      Aaaaand you lost me.

    • spaceghoti
      +5
      @CrookedTale -

      ...

      You need to not talk to me for at least a day. I might be able to forgive your heresy after a good night's sleep. I might not, we'll see.

    • Qukatt
      +6
      @spaceghoti -

      you didn't like Scott Pilgrim? Edgar Wright is probably one of my top 5 directors. his framing is flawless. It panel perfect form in parts. The music is excellent and everytime i watch it there's something new to look at.

    • spaceghoti
      +5
      @Qukatt -

      I'm very happy for you. :)

    • CrookedTale
      +5
      @spaceghoti -

      Ok. But I do expect a full conversation on how CLOVERFIELD was the BEST MOVIE EVA' ! I cant wait for the sequel! Spoiler alert Godzilla will be in it again. Just like the original!!!!