Leweb, gang culture in the US, like other countries is admired, written about, made popular. You would have to be blind not to see it and disingenuous not to admit it.
Am I to understand that your argument is "guns don't kill people, gang violence kills people... with guns, yes, but guns are not to blame; gangs are; so we need more guns in hands of non-gang members who will then exterminate gangs - gangs which, mind you, will not arm themselves while being exterminated - and, thus, end gang violence and the cause of all these non-gun-but-gang-related deaths"?
I find that to be... somewhat baffling and amusing (as I don't live in the US)
If I did live with compatriots who held this argument and voted in politicians who apply legislation in line with it - I suspect I would not find it as amusing.
Nope. Gangs do kill people, mostly each other and guns help them do that, so guns are part of the problem. And they do skew stats, but we are still far, far below where other advanced societies are. So culture and society play a part, including what is laudable and what is not. Guns are a symptom. Switzerland as an example is a gun society that acts responsibly.
EDIT: want clarification for your quote...or did you just make it up.
"guns don't kill people, gang violence kills people... with guns, yes, but guns are not to blame; gangs are; so we need more guns in hands of non-gang members who will then exterminate gangs - gangs which, mind you, will not arm themselves while being exterminated - and, thus, end gang violence and the cause of all these non-gun-but-gang-related deaths"?
So are you suggesting that the US has about a thousand times the gangs that other countries have?
Leweb, gang culture in the US, like other countries is admired, written about, made popular. You would have to be blind not to see it and disingenuous not to admit it.
I didn't say there aren't gangs in the US. But I also think it's disingenuous to say that there aren't any in Australia, or Canada, or Britain, etc.
And that is what I said "gang culture in the US, like other countries"...and gun deaths are much higher in the US than those other countries.
Am I to understand that your argument is "guns don't kill people, gang violence kills people... with guns, yes, but guns are not to blame; gangs are; so we need more guns in hands of non-gang members who will then exterminate gangs - gangs which, mind you, will not arm themselves while being exterminated - and, thus, end gang violence and the cause of all these non-gun-but-gang-related deaths"?
I find that to be... somewhat baffling and amusing (as I don't live in the US)
If I did live with compatriots who held this argument and voted in politicians who apply legislation in line with it - I suspect I would not find it as amusing.
Nope. Gangs do kill people, mostly each other and guns help them do that, so guns are part of the problem. And they do skew stats, but we are still far, far below where other advanced societies are. So culture and society play a part, including what is laudable and what is not. Guns are a symptom. Switzerland as an example is a gun society that acts responsibly.
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015...15891/the-u-s-is-a-world-leader-in-gun-deaths
Pretty sad statistics.
By the way...who exactly are you quoting?
EDIT: want clarification for your quote...or did you just make it up.
"guns don't kill people, gang violence kills people... with guns, yes, but guns are not to blame; gangs are; so we need more guns in hands of non-gang members who will then exterminate gangs - gangs which, mind you, will not arm themselves while being exterminated - and, thus, end gang violence and the cause of all these non-gun-but-gang-related deaths"?
Sashinator's paraphrase comes from a Mr. Straw D. Man, of Peoria, Illinois.