So many people of the #alllivesmatter crowd are making a stink about how nobody is outraged by this. People are outraged, it's just that #blacklivesmatter was driven by the black community who were sick of nobody caring about black killings. Like, police brutality is horrible and if white people are upset about white people being killed by police, why don't we make our own anti-police brutality movement? Why are so many people expecting the blacklivesmatter movement to watch out for our white asses?
I bet if we created our own movement and worked together with other anti-brutality movements, it would be so much more successful than sitting around complaining that other people aren't outraged! Be outraged and show others why they should be as well!
^^^This, a thousand times. While the #blacklivesmatter movement stands against police brutality and injustice, the black community has had to put a lot of time and activism into making it a nationwide campaign. If the #alllivesmatter crowd also wants to stand against police brutality and injustice, then they are welcomed to stand with BLM in that effort. Instead, ALM seems to be working against BLM.
By the way, when somebody says "Black Lives Matter," they aren't saying "ONLY Black Lives Matter." The #alllivesmatter crowd might think BLM is exclusionary, but it is not --- What they are saying is, in the midst of so many occurrences of brutality and killings, that yes, black lives matter too.
Exactly! BLM isn't saying that only black lives matter, what it's pointing out is that black lives (which are part of all lives) matter, since they have for so long been ignored.
Yeah, and I thought that adults would understand this, but I see politicians getting it wrong...even Hillary fucking Clinton! She's in front of a congregation at a black church, and she says "all lives matter". It's like, you wouldn't stand up in front of a black church and say "Why don't we have White History Month?" The answer is no, no you would not.
My wife and I argue about this a lot as a bi-racial couple. It's tough. I know what its like to be on the other side of that brutality front. Its been happening to my people for a long while. But it's new to her. But honestly I believe that this is probably the most sensible answer. But the thing is those in power will COINTELPRO those groups so fast they won't even get to join up as a single mass. People fallway to hatred far too easily and the status quo supports that. You make seperate groups and soon enough they will be turned on each other. I remember when the Tea Party was a real progressive movement, my mother said the same thing about the Panthers. They got COINTELPRO'd and they fell apart or fell to avarice.
Exactly. I suspect they're already putting roots down into BLM, and we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg right now. One thing that gives me hope though is that over and over I've seen some real solid awareness of baiting tactics and infiltration, and the BLM movement really seems to be on their A game when it comes to protecting themselves from the typical COINTELPRO tactics.
That said though, I think if there's any hope of success, BLM has to bring in more than just the black community. Comments like what Johnetta Elzie has said "It is not the responsibility of black folks or people of color to do the labor required to address police violence in white communities." coupled with what the ACLU’s Nusrat Jahan Choudhury has said "True accountability requires independent investigations of police-involved killings of Black men and women.".. and scenes like this: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b91_1438047783 Where yes, they want to control the message, and yes they have every right to ask people to not record for VERY good reason (which was shared later in that video), the problem is the rank and file members of the movement, they don't want non-black members, they don't even seem to want non-black allies. They want to tell their own story, and that leads to their exclusion of everyone else. That's not how it's ever been done, to my knowledge, in the past. I get the fear of subversion and infiltration. But there has to be something, or like you said, "People fallway to hatred far too easily and the status quo supports that. You make seperate groups and soon enough they will be turned on each other."
This isn't saying that black America can't do it alone. It's saying that if those acting as BLM's leadership feel that there is no space for non-black members or allies... that if whites or Hispanics want to combat police brutality and lawlessness and lack of oversight, they need to do it for themselves and just for their own people... then we're going to be nipping at the problem of police brutality rather than swallowing it whole like we have the potential of doing. A cord of three strands is not easily broken.
As for what is going on with the whole "All Lives Matter" thing... I think that was ill-conceived from ... well from conception. The fact that apparently they haven't stood up and praised BLM for calling attention to the Hammond case makes me think that all they are there for is to detract from the BLM movement.
I think they kind of have to do it that way though. Even if they get media coverage, it's usually only a matter of hours before the media is showing reports of something, pretty much anything that would make it seem the the black guy deserves his fate. It won't happen with the white kid. No one will pore over his Facebook for drug messages, rap lyrics, him posing shirtless in a mirror, etc. that's what does happen to blacks that are killed.
I don't think that a separate movement would be a good idea. The whole anti police brutality movement has become a race issue even though people of all races are being killed the same. Instead of getting angry because a black person was killed by police or because a white person was killed by police, we should be getting angry that people in general are being killed by police. Turning a problem that seems to be as widespread as this into a race issue just divides people and makes people think that it is unique to a particular group of people and they become complacent in the belief that it won't happen to them and are therefore less likely to try and do something about it.
Because the white community is not largely a self victimizing one that wants any excuse it can to distract people from the fact it is the most represented in the criminal statistics because it commits the most crime and produces the most criminals.
Subtle.
If people would stop supporting the victim culture in the black community, they would take responsibility for themselves and then we could all focus on the real issue of police brutality.
So once you bring the blacks to heel, then you’ll be able focus on police brutality? Gosh, are you sure? You won’t need to first tackle the treachery of the American Indian? The greed of Pacific Islanders?
Forgive me for doubting you, but it’s obvious that in your helplessness, you simply need to make yourself feel better than someone, and that someone apparently needs to be entire races of people. You’re never going to snap out of it and take responsibility for yourself.
You’re not the only self-pitying eternal victim that would rather wallow in base racism than deal with your manifestly real problems. Racist trolls like you are a dime a dozen.
You’ll lift one finger to oppose police brutality the very minute you’ve done what, exactly? Presumably, you’ll bring your advanced skills in race trolling on the Web to bear on the problem how, exactly, is it? With 3/5ths jokes? By deleting bigoted comments like these right up until you have to open yet another sockpuppet account on Snapzu?
So many people of the #alllivesmatter crowd are making a stink about how nobody is outraged by this. People are outraged, it's just that #blacklivesmatter was driven by the black community who were sick of nobody caring about black killings. Like, police brutality is horrible and if white people are upset about white people being killed by police, why don't we make our own anti-police brutality movement? Why are so many people expecting the blacklivesmatter movement to watch out for our white asses?
I bet if we created our own movement and worked together with other anti-brutality movements, it would be so much more successful than sitting around complaining that other people aren't outraged! Be outraged and show others why they should be as well!
^^^This, a thousand times. While the #blacklivesmatter movement stands against police brutality and injustice, the black community has had to put a lot of time and activism into making it a nationwide campaign. If the #alllivesmatter crowd also wants to stand against police brutality and injustice, then they are welcomed to stand with BLM in that effort. Instead, ALM seems to be working against BLM.
By the way, when somebody says "Black Lives Matter," they aren't saying "ONLY Black Lives Matter." The #alllivesmatter crowd might think BLM is exclusionary, but it is not --- What they are saying is, in the midst of so many occurrences of brutality and killings, that yes, black lives matter too.
Exactly! BLM isn't saying that only black lives matter, what it's pointing out is that black lives (which are part of all lives) matter, since they have for so long been ignored.
Yeah, and I thought that adults would understand this, but I see politicians getting it wrong...even Hillary fucking Clinton! She's in front of a congregation at a black church, and she says "all lives matter". It's like, you wouldn't stand up in front of a black church and say "Why don't we have White History Month?" The answer is no, no you would not.
Unfortunately, I know some adults who do complain that there's no white history month, but it's only when there are no POC around.
My wife and I argue about this a lot as a bi-racial couple. It's tough. I know what its like to be on the other side of that brutality front. Its been happening to my people for a long while. But it's new to her. But honestly I believe that this is probably the most sensible answer. But the thing is those in power will COINTELPRO those groups so fast they won't even get to join up as a single mass. People fallway to hatred far too easily and the status quo supports that. You make seperate groups and soon enough they will be turned on each other. I remember when the Tea Party was a real progressive movement, my mother said the same thing about the Panthers. They got COINTELPRO'd and they fell apart or fell to avarice.
Exactly. I suspect they're already putting roots down into BLM, and we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg right now. One thing that gives me hope though is that over and over I've seen some real solid awareness of baiting tactics and infiltration, and the BLM movement really seems to be on their A game when it comes to protecting themselves from the typical COINTELPRO tactics.
That said though, I think if there's any hope of success, BLM has to bring in more than just the black community. Comments like what Johnetta Elzie has said "It is not the responsibility of black folks or people of color to do the labor required to address police violence in white communities." coupled with what the ACLU’s Nusrat Jahan Choudhury has said "True accountability requires independent investigations of police-involved killings of Black men and women.".. and scenes like this: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b91_1438047783 Where yes, they want to control the message, and yes they have every right to ask people to not record for VERY good reason (which was shared later in that video), the problem is the rank and file members of the movement, they don't want non-black members, they don't even seem to want non-black allies. They want to tell their own story, and that leads to their exclusion of everyone else. That's not how it's ever been done, to my knowledge, in the past. I get the fear of subversion and infiltration. But there has to be something, or like you said, "People fallway to hatred far too easily and the status quo supports that. You make seperate groups and soon enough they will be turned on each other."
This isn't saying that black America can't do it alone. It's saying that if those acting as BLM's leadership feel that there is no space for non-black members or allies... that if whites or Hispanics want to combat police brutality and lawlessness and lack of oversight, they need to do it for themselves and just for their own people... then we're going to be nipping at the problem of police brutality rather than swallowing it whole like we have the potential of doing. A cord of three strands is not easily broken.
As for what is going on with the whole "All Lives Matter" thing... I think that was ill-conceived from ... well from conception. The fact that apparently they haven't stood up and praised BLM for calling attention to the Hammond case makes me think that all they are there for is to detract from the BLM movement.
I think they kind of have to do it that way though. Even if they get media coverage, it's usually only a matter of hours before the media is showing reports of something, pretty much anything that would make it seem the the black guy deserves his fate. It won't happen with the white kid. No one will pore over his Facebook for drug messages, rap lyrics, him posing shirtless in a mirror, etc. that's what does happen to blacks that are killed.
Sorry, do it which way?
I don't think that a separate movement would be a good idea. The whole anti police brutality movement has become a race issue even though people of all races are being killed the same. Instead of getting angry because a black person was killed by police or because a white person was killed by police, we should be getting angry that people in general are being killed by police. Turning a problem that seems to be as widespread as this into a race issue just divides people and makes people think that it is unique to a particular group of people and they become complacent in the belief that it won't happen to them and are therefore less likely to try and do something about it.
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