This is very true. This is what I find frustrating about all the reddit discussion. I also on the other hand understand that the community drives the site and they carry a huge amount of influence and if they don't like policy changes they do have some ability to affect the site.
There's a bit of a difference with Reddit, though.
Yes, the people inside the unpopular forums are defending their content by yelling "free speech," which this comic shows is pretty pathetic.
But many people outside the unpopular forums are also defending this content using "free speech," because agreeing to let admins and mods limit what's okay to discuss on Reddit leads to a conversation that's shaped by people with power. And not only is there waning trust in the people running Reddit, but there's worry that big business and even government are using their influence to shape that conversation as well.
The world isn't perfect. And until it is, we need to be able to discuss unpopular opinions, because some of those unpopular opinions will lead to positive change.
And not only is there waning trust in the people running Reddit, but there's worry that big business and even government are using their influence to shape that conversation as well.
This is exactly what I've been concerned with since this drama began (I've never been a part of those unpopular forums).
Two relevant quotes:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire
and
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yep, that's part of my reasoning as well /u/ofest. I don't really like most of those unpopular forums, but I am concerned that banning them may set a dangerous precedent in terms of censorship. I understand banning illegal content, but legal, although unpopular content? Yeah...
I hope Snapzu can deal with this in the future. There will be a time were drama will arise here. Let's hope we, the community, can handle it well...
Yeah, that's my main concern with limiting free speech. Sure, I understand removing illegal content. But, limiting legal content (i.e. "free speech") can potentially set dangerous precedents. There are unpopular opninions yes, but no one's completely unbiased. After all, who's to completely decide right and wrong. I personally find racism, misogyny, ,discrimination, etc. to be reprehensible. But, there's a grey area involved in all of this, especially with controversial issues.
This is very true. This is what I find frustrating about all the reddit discussion. I also on the other hand understand that the community drives the site and they carry a huge amount of influence and if they don't like policy changes they do have some ability to affect the site.
There's a bit of a difference with Reddit, though.
Yes, the people inside the unpopular forums are defending their content by yelling "free speech," which this comic shows is pretty pathetic.
But many people outside the unpopular forums are also defending this content using "free speech," because agreeing to let admins and mods limit what's okay to discuss on Reddit leads to a conversation that's shaped by people with power. And not only is there waning trust in the people running Reddit, but there's worry that big business and even government are using their influence to shape that conversation as well.
The world isn't perfect. And until it is, we need to be able to discuss unpopular opinions, because some of those unpopular opinions will lead to positive change.
Well said!!
This is exactly what I've been concerned with since this drama began (I've never been a part of those unpopular forums).
Two relevant quotes:
- Voltaire
and
- Martin Niemöller
Yep, that's part of my reasoning as well /u/ofest. I don't really like most of those unpopular forums, but I am concerned that banning them may set a dangerous precedent in terms of censorship. I understand banning illegal content, but legal, although unpopular content? Yeah...
I hope Snapzu can deal with this in the future. There will be a time were drama will arise here. Let's hope we, the community, can handle it well...
Yeah, that's my main concern with limiting free speech. Sure, I understand removing illegal content. But, limiting legal content (i.e. "free speech") can potentially set dangerous precedents. There are unpopular opninions yes, but no one's completely unbiased. After all, who's to completely decide right and wrong. I personally find racism, misogyny, ,discrimination, etc. to be reprehensible. But, there's a grey area involved in all of this, especially with controversial issues.