I have a view that I know is not commonly shared. I hate that some fat people try to convince other people that it's healthy, but I have never and will never hate fat people themselves. My disdain extends only as far as hating an unhealthy attitude. I would feel this way if someone promoted alcohol addiction or drug addiction, but they aren't because everyone knows that it's unhealthy.
I kind of get where you're coming from, but the health at every size movement is less about convincing people that being fat is super healthy and more about dismantling the extreme view that has been adopted by society that you cannot be both fat and healthy. As it stands right now, people encourage otherwise perfectly healthy people who exercise, run marathons, eat well, etc, to adopt unhealthy behaviour (mental health problems regarding obsession, anorexia, or physical damage through starvation or over exercising) just to be thin.
Everyone knows people who can eat whatever they want and not put on an inch, no matter how little they exercise, but the idea that there could be a corollary at the other end of the scale is just unthinkable. So HAES is about eating healthily, exercising regularly, checking health markers like bloodwork, lung capacity, etc, but not obsessing over weight or dress size. Everyone else's fixation on the weight of a person who is perfectly healthy, just fatter than you'd like them to be, is the issue the activists fight against.
I think the bigger issue than FPH is the fact that reddit is so one-sided. I wouldn't mind the existence of FatPeopleHate so much if there were a strong HAES community on reddit, but there just isn't. Not even remotely. So there's no real debate, it's just people spewing hate, and if a single person dares to disagree with them, they're downvoted into oblivion.
You've just described my feelings on the matter perfectly. I think it might be helpful to treat obesity as a disease or injury in the sense that it's something we should help people overcome or recover from. That attitude works better on drug-related issues than marginalization, insults, and punishment. Why not try it out on obesity as well? FPH causes nothing but harm; communities like /r/fitness, /r/running, /t/fitness, and /t/running have the potential to help people become healthier through exercise.
I've read several posts from people on FPH who pretty much said "thank you for calling me out on being a fat lazy slob. It made me realize I didn't want to be that way anymore and got me to exercise more and eat less" Being straight up with someone instead of (literally) sugar coating it can be painful in the short term, but I think it's better than lying to someone.
If you feel shame and embarrassment because someone said something about you, that something can often have a piece of truth in it.
While that may be true for some, it certainly doesn't work for all and still doesn't present a solution. And the problem isn't telling someone they're unhealthy or fat, it's doing so in a rude, insulting, and demeaning way. Honesty and harassment are two very different things.
I understand where you're coming from. But people are free to live their lives as they see fit. While it's not a healthy lifestyle choice, it's not so bad that hate groups need to actively shame them. A lot of the people who were hurt by the subreddit were people who didn't preach that it was healthy. Just innocent bystanders who didn't want to see that hatred on their front page.
If someone has a drug or alcohol problem, it's not in good taste to try and point it out and try and change their lives. That task is for close friends and family members that are concerned. Not strangers on the Internet.
I understand where you come from as well, and share sentiments with /u/vulpixwithdix. Right now, the way you conveyed your opinion is fine. I may disagree with it, but you don't spit out bile and hatred such as FPH did.
A good chunk of the people on FPH have the same view.
Some people make jokes about fat people because they used to be fat themselves, or because they're verbally attacked for being thin or muscular, or because they have to deal with stupid family members or neighbours or co-workers who happen to be fat.
Very few people on FPH actually "hate" fat people.
I have a view that I know is not commonly shared. I hate that some fat people try to convince other people that it's healthy, but I have never and will never hate fat people themselves. My disdain extends only as far as hating an unhealthy attitude. I would feel this way if someone promoted alcohol addiction or drug addiction, but they aren't because everyone knows that it's unhealthy.
I kind of get where you're coming from, but the health at every size movement is less about convincing people that being fat is super healthy and more about dismantling the extreme view that has been adopted by society that you cannot be both fat and healthy. As it stands right now, people encourage otherwise perfectly healthy people who exercise, run marathons, eat well, etc, to adopt unhealthy behaviour (mental health problems regarding obsession, anorexia, or physical damage through starvation or over exercising) just to be thin.
Everyone knows people who can eat whatever they want and not put on an inch, no matter how little they exercise, but the idea that there could be a corollary at the other end of the scale is just unthinkable. So HAES is about eating healthily, exercising regularly, checking health markers like bloodwork, lung capacity, etc, but not obsessing over weight or dress size. Everyone else's fixation on the weight of a person who is perfectly healthy, just fatter than you'd like them to be, is the issue the activists fight against.
I think the bigger issue than FPH is the fact that reddit is so one-sided. I wouldn't mind the existence of FatPeopleHate so much if there were a strong HAES community on reddit, but there just isn't. Not even remotely. So there's no real debate, it's just people spewing hate, and if a single person dares to disagree with them, they're downvoted into oblivion.
You've just described my feelings on the matter perfectly. I think it might be helpful to treat obesity as a disease or injury in the sense that it's something we should help people overcome or recover from. That attitude works better on drug-related issues than marginalization, insults, and punishment. Why not try it out on obesity as well? FPH causes nothing but harm; communities like /r/fitness, /r/running, /t/fitness, and /t/running have the potential to help people become healthier through exercise.
I've read several posts from people on FPH who pretty much said "thank you for calling me out on being a fat lazy slob. It made me realize I didn't want to be that way anymore and got me to exercise more and eat less" Being straight up with someone instead of (literally) sugar coating it can be painful in the short term, but I think it's better than lying to someone.
If you feel shame and embarrassment because someone said something about you, that something can often have a piece of truth in it.
While that may be true for some, it certainly doesn't work for all and still doesn't present a solution. And the problem isn't telling someone they're unhealthy or fat, it's doing so in a rude, insulting, and demeaning way. Honesty and harassment are two very different things.
I understand where you're coming from. But people are free to live their lives as they see fit. While it's not a healthy lifestyle choice, it's not so bad that hate groups need to actively shame them. A lot of the people who were hurt by the subreddit were people who didn't preach that it was healthy. Just innocent bystanders who didn't want to see that hatred on their front page.
If someone has a drug or alcohol problem, it's not in good taste to try and point it out and try and change their lives. That task is for close friends and family members that are concerned. Not strangers on the Internet.
I understand where you come from as well, and share sentiments with /u/vulpixwithdix. Right now, the way you conveyed your opinion is fine. I may disagree with it, but you don't spit out bile and hatred such as FPH did.
A good chunk of the people on FPH have the same view.
Some people make jokes about fat people because they used to be fat themselves, or because they're verbally attacked for being thin or muscular, or because they have to deal with stupid family members or neighbours or co-workers who happen to be fat.
Very few people on FPH actually "hate" fat people.