So, you think trade/apprenticeship programs are likely to encourage a broad education rather than targeted skills training? Please tell me, what is the point of a trade apprenticeship program? Isn't it specifically to target specific skills training?
Nothing precludes students from learning whatever they want regardless of agenda, that's true of any education. It depends a great deal on the student. But when you explicitly narrow their focus such as in training for a trade then you do far less to encourage a well-rounded education than a student who attends a university with a broad range of available topics and even requires classes outside their expertise in order to graduate.
Whatever universities were created for in Greece and China, today they're places of learning and research. The fact that higher education leads to more liberal minds has far less to do with a specific agenda and more to do with the typical impact of exposure to new and sometimes conflicting information. Minds operate best when open, not when squeezed through narrow channels.
The real problem is the value/demand for many degrees. College value vs: debt was the initial thrust of my comments. However if you think that a college education is necessary for a person to be "well rounded", so be it. I can think of little of my college learning/experience that truly benefits me now. I was "exposed" to other's views then, SDS, Black Panthers,YAF, tuition, anti-war demonstrations among many others. Most of which I have seen as faulty since. So no just being exposed to different views is not necessarily enlightening, rather at a young age can be detrimental. The professors did have an agenda even in the sixties. I can tell you that the liberal arts college had a total separate vision of the world than the business college, at the same university. So I should guess it depends on which "narrow channel" your mind is squeezed. Then a "well rounded education was thought to be of value. Any degree would get you a foothold in business, no longer. What I have learned through life experience so far trumps any college class or prof's contribution to almost put it a negative light today.
I posted by mistake before I finished. I have no idea what age you are nor do I care, but if you carry the ideal of "well rounded" college education with you past your youth, then you taint the remainder of your life's experiences. An injustice.
There is much supposed education that needs unlearned.
So, you think trade/apprenticeship programs are likely to encourage a broad education rather than targeted skills training? Please tell me, what is the point of a trade apprenticeship program? Isn't it specifically to target specific skills training?
Nothing precludes students from learning whatever they want regardless of agenda, that's true of any education. It depends a great deal on the student. But when you explicitly narrow their focus such as in training for a trade then you do far less to encourage a well-rounded education than a student who attends a university with a broad range of available topics and even requires classes outside their expertise in order to graduate.
Whatever universities were created for in Greece and China, today they're places of learning and research. The fact that higher education leads to more liberal minds has far less to do with a specific agenda and more to do with the typical impact of exposure to new and sometimes conflicting information. Minds operate best when open, not when squeezed through narrow channels.
The real problem is the value/demand for many degrees. College value vs: debt was the initial thrust of my comments. However if you think that a college education is necessary for a person to be "well rounded", so be it. I can think of little of my college learning/experience that truly benefits me now. I was "exposed" to other's views then, SDS, Black Panthers,YAF, tuition, anti-war demonstrations among many others. Most of which I have seen as faulty since. So no just being exposed to different views is not necessarily enlightening, rather at a young age can be detrimental. The professors did have an agenda even in the sixties. I can tell you that the liberal arts college had a total separate vision of the world than the business college, at the same university. So I should guess it depends on which "narrow channel" your mind is squeezed. Then a "well rounded education was thought to be of value. Any degree would get you a foothold in business, no longer. What I have learned through life experience so far trumps any college class or prof's contribution to almost put it a negative light today.
It didn't work for you, therefore it's a waste for everyone else.
I'm glad we were able to get to the root of the problem.
I posted by mistake before I finished. I have no idea what age you are nor do I care, but if you carry the ideal of "well rounded" college education with you past your youth, then you taint the remainder of your life's experiences. An injustice.
There is much supposed education that needs unlearned.