Text Post: Hello Snapzu posted by factoverfallacy
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  • AdelleChattre (edited 8 years ago)
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    Gibberish: unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.

    May I suggest you've gotten so little out of people's responses because you've put so little into understanding them? I feel as though you've given my response very short shrift. Seems to me you're using 'gibberish' to mean any responses you can't fit within your doctrinaire understanding of your very personal selection of esoteric belief systems. Or, distressingly as likely, won't bother trying to fit.

    Fact definition: a thing that is indisputably the case.

    Am I taking crazy pills or have you gotten 'facts' mixed up with 'axioms' and 'propositions' and 'inferences' and 'beliefs' all at once?

    Opinion: [...] Bias: [...]

    As much as I appreciate your taking time out of your day to explain four and seven letter words to me, because apparently I wouldn't've encountered these before and need them explained, it could be taken as pedantic condescension in casual conversation. Especially given that the working definitions you're apparently happy to teach seem as if they were done in particularly crude children's finger-paint handwriting.

    [...] A bias is as I stated earlier is gibberish and has no place in an educated discussion.

    There's a problem. Using the system you're describing, if someone else makes a statement, and it doesn't square with your secret homespun mix of dogma, their expressions become facts become opinions become bias become fallacy become gibberish. No wonder every response you get comes through as gibberish. To say nothing of what game you've decided we're all playing in your idea of an 'educated discussion' and 'adult conversation.' Because it looks like one where you correct people quite a lot.

    Get it?

    Daresay so. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm always wrong.

    "I" am not wrong.

    Really? Because a lot of us are often wrong. It's all I can do to realize some, of the many, times I am wrong. So often is the average person wrong that it may be good to get ahead of this common human failing, and always play the fool. People you've thought were wrong, I'll bet, may've had some truth of their own you could've gained from, if you hadn't been so busy gainsaying them. There's always a chance that you were wrong, even if it wasn't in correctly applying some dogma or another, but because say the dogma's been long-refuted, or you'd seriously misjudged the nature of the conversation you were having, or how you might've benefited by it or even what your unfounded suppositions were. Could be, right? How red would your face be?

    I am smart but not innovative. I quote the innovators and experts.

    There are unkind ways to characterize this relationship. The question I am left with is what I'm paying you for, exactly.

    I used to debate on the University level.

    No way, really? I had an inkling of this when /u/RoamingGnome expressed a human, personal sentiment and you 'corrected' him. Which is a bit like seeing a butterfly in the garden and trying, combatively, to solve it with Gaussian elimination.

    Before I write anything, I normally debate both sides to catch my own unconscious biases.

    Your short time in this universe is not a forensics competition with another school. Sometimes the answer is neither A nor B, but 1, 2, and 6. Sometimes the answer is because it snowed the night before and besides, haven't you always wanted to anyway?

    I actually find it humorous when I school someone in an argument that I am again...

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    • factoverfallacy (edited 8 years ago)
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      May I suggest you've gotten so little out of people's responses because you've put so little into understanding them? I feel as though you've given my response very short shrift.

      Again as you claim you skimmed and in doing so you made an erroneous generalization. I will explain below as again your points (I still don't really know if you have one) is all over the place. I can't comprehend how asking how they arrived at that answer is a lack of understanding? Asking them to provide incite is the exact opposite not trying to understand.

      Opinion: [...] Bias: [...]As much as I appreciate your taking time out of your day to explain four and seven letter words to me, because apparently I wouldn't've encountered these before and need them explained.

      You apparently needed them to be explained because I am using them correctly as shown.

      There's a problem. Using the system you're describing, if someone else makes a statement, and it doesn't square with your secret homespun mix of dogma,

      Again your lack of understanding of the definitions you are using is comical. If you provide no evidence to support your opinion after being asked numerous times it is bias, prejudice and gibberish. That is a fact. For example, if you were to say Pit bulls are more aggressive than most breeds that is not an opinion but a false fact. And the use of the word Fact is very broad. For example, the National Center for Science education defines fact as: Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” To quote Stephen Jay Gould who is an American paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science“In science, ‘fact’ can only mean ‘confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent. " For an example it is considered a FACT that all humans have 46 chromosomes. However, that can change over time. People still debate the fact that the Earth is Round.

      Am I taking crazy pills or have you gotten 'facts' mixed up with 'axioms' and 'propositions' and 'inferences' and 'beliefs' all at once?

      You really are taking the crazy pill. As per above I am using the word fact and other words just fine.

      However, you keep using the word dogma out of context. [Dogma is a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted] (a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted) Dogma [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/dogma] (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/dogma) . [A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion] (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dogma) Statement of facts are not a belief nor is an opinion based on verifiable data.

      And if you want to state inference instead of an opinion to try and sound smart it is not working. An inference requires "a statement of fact to interpret, draw logical conclusions from given data, and project implications from the facts". So again I fail to see what you are trying to conclude. We draw inferences from factual observations. In hard sciences, many use the term theory which is defined is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and...

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    • factoverfallacy (edited 8 years ago)
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      Wow you needed so much correction that Snapzu post ran out of room. Again your reading comprehension is horrid. I was giving him a compliment.

      You state::

      No way, really? I had an inkling of this when /u/RoamingGnome expressed a human, personal sentiment and you 'corrected' him. Which is a bit like seeing a butterfly in the garden and trying, combatively, to solve it with Gaussian elimination.

      His comment here:

      People will comment on how smart or informed I am. I tell them it has nothing to do with me being smart and everything to do with the fact that I can pretty much find any information I need as long as I have my smart phone and a data connection. Yes, doing something as simple as looking something up before spewing nonsense is being smart. Looking something up to ensure accuracy means you are thorough, thirsty and will retain at lease some of the knowledge. So he should stop selling himself short to those people =)

      The definition of smart from various dictionaries: "done with intelligence or careful thought" , " Having or showing intelligence; bright", "clever, witty, or readily effective, as a speaker, speech, rejoinder"

      So just like the rest of your "gibberish", yes that is what it is now, you are trying to call me out on a compliment. Although, smart is subjective, he was being modest and I called him out on it. People deserve recognition just like people deserve to be put in their place. Him using the dictionary makes him a genius compared to this.

      When I start posting please participate either for or against my argument IDC. Just bring those sources with you!!!!!

      Wow, this compliment makes me a horrible human being.

      I should just keep quoting Neil Degrasse Tyson as he deals with this on a regular basis. FYI,even a world-renowned astrophysicist, along with many intelligent people don't get all positive comments. Thought,I would bring that up again to highlight your unsubstantiated opinion.

      Neil Degrasse Tyson: B.o.B is obviously and amusingly wrong in the things he's saying, but he's free and able to say them. That's worth celebrating. There are still many places around the world where opposing the prevailing wisdom comes at great personal cost and risk. So when I see a darling old conspiracy theory being dredged up and so gently euthanized, it makes me smile. It also makes me appreciate the advancement of the so-called developed world: one of the enduring differences between Western democracies and Russia and China is the greater liberty to speak your mind.

      I don't wish to hold up B.o.B as some paragon of free speech. His ramblings border on the delusional, and his encouragement for people to read up on Holocaust denier David Irving is repugnant. But it's because I disagree with his flat Earth beliefs that I want them out in public view. This gives me the opportunity to contest them — civilly — and offers at least the possibility of spreading enlightenment. B.o.B might still feel overwhelmed by the number of people challenging him, but if we all do it in a polite and respectful manner, it might lead to fewer diss tracks and greater solidarity..

      The infamous quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Ignorance has shown to do harm and if someone chooses to use their free speech to spew incorrect information, I will call them out on it. I might not be even close to as innovative or even smart as Degrasse but I will be sure to spread and...

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    • AdelleChattre (edited 8 years ago)
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      @factoverfallacy -

      Again your lack of understanding of the definitions you are using is comical.

      Tell me you're not going to try to learn me some more four- and five-letter words. You are? Super.

      For example, the National Center for Science education defines fact as […]

      Good job!

      As per above I am using the word fact and other words just fine.

      Way to go, Champ!

      However, you keep using the word dogma out of context. Dogma is […]

      Yes, because word sense meanings are only allowed within 'contexts' you have personally issued formal, written approvals for two full business days in advance.

      And if you want to state inference instead of an opinion to try and sound smart it is not working.

      What are you: eight, nine?

      Actually, many respect my opinion.

      Sure they do. That's swell, really.

      Wow, I am going to have to call you ignorant at this point.

      Don't go to the trouble. You got that attitude across pretty early. For instance, you're still saying 'hey' in the lounge, and straight-away you can already tell this's going to be a thing with you. As it has been.

      Sorry I am not gullible.

      I get it. You're a bot. I'm solipsizing with RACTER here.

      I sense you might be one of those conspiracy theorists if you are having trouble with anything I am saying.

      You get that a lot, do you? Trouble in social settings? Flak from people that, obviously, are jealous of your greatness, no doubt?

      And in all honesty, my rough draft seems to be more put together than your final one.

      Not that every little thing is a pissing match with you or you're compensating for anything, mind you.

      Wow you needed so much correction that Snapzu post ran out of room.

      Happy I could help. You do seem to have some things you need to work out.

      Again your reading comprehension is horrid.

      You know, I think I could probably have picked up on a few things earlier than I did.

      The definition of smart from various dictionaries: […]

      You just give, and give and give. When is it time for you? For your needs? By this point, you've literally defined the word 'and' for me. Suggestion: if you find yourself needing to condescend so far as to define three- and four-letter words for your correspondent, you're doing it wrong.

      At that point, you can criticize me to your heart's content but please use at least high school level logic.

      Why should I? I'm sure you'll do a far better job pointing out problems than I ever could.

      Alas, this is starting to bore me.

      You’re not the only one, Mister.