Let's get this tribe started? I kinda hope that *spoilers* is really dead.
For years, with the good folks of /r/asoiaf I've been wondering how would JS get brought back and what would happen to him if/when he was. Now that my show-only friends and people over /r/gameofthrones started wondering the same thing I kind of want it not to happen. It would be kinda interesting have Jon warged into ghost, but then instead of brought back, his body would be dead and cremated, then we'd get chapters from the POV of the Jon/Ghost as it gets progressively more Ghost and less Jon, the last chapter would end on a complete Ghost takeover and everybody gets sad.
I don't know why I want this though...
9 years ago by blackfyre
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I am voting for a Stark-Targaryen-White Walker hybrid to kick ass and take some names, personally.
Also, a kickass gif.
http://gfycat.com/ScalyFragrantAmericanriverotter
Jon White Walker, Texas Ranger
One can only hope. Amazing gif as well btw :>
That'd be interesting for sure.
That link doesn't open inline like normal ones D:
Yeah, sorry. I didn't format it. Still an awesome gif!
I am of the hivemind that believes that he will come back eventually. I want to believe that they'll try cremating his body, and because of R'hllor's magic, he'll awaken, kind of like a Dany situation.
oh god, now you made me think that's what is going to happen.
Honestly, I dont really care much for his character so I wouldn't mind if he was actually dead.
I would only want him alive if he returned as an Other and was still a POV character. That would be sweet.
Really? His is one of my favorite story lines. I'm also hoping he makes a return in that fashion as well.
I don't see JS warging into Ghost for good. I say this because it would make R+L=J pointless, among other reasons.
And it's definitely not happening in the show, because D+D aren't changing out Kit Harrington for a CGI wolf.
After reading the books I thought his death was not final since Martin spent a bit of time talking about Jon's ability to jump into Ghosts body. But it wasn't till I watched a few Alt Shift X videos that I see Jon's potential significance in the series. Potentially being a Targaryen and a Stark fitting the whole Ice and Fire thing, being reborn cleanses him of his Night's Watch oath, and the many signs for filling the Azor Ahai prophecy make for a very compelling argument and a nice way to tie up many plot lines.
A lot of people in the ASOIAF fandom seem to hang on to the "released from his NW vows" loophole, or whatever you want to call it. The thing I don't get is... why? It's just a vow. It's not magical. Words are wind. Characters in ASOIAF don't keep their vows all the time. Hell, Jon's already broken his vows -- with Ygritte and with Mance and with Stannis. His vows never have been what would have kept him from assuming a greater role in the ongoings of Westeros.
GRRM keeps hammering in the concept that to err is human, and everybody is human. I don't understand the insistence on that particular point!
From memory, the vows he broke when he went north of the wall were to complete the mission and not get exposed as still being loyal to the Night's Watch. My impression was that he takes those vow's very seriously and has turned down the opportunity to join Stannis in taking back Winterfell and taking control of it. I forget, which vows did he break with Mance and Stannis?
Very good points about Martin pointing out the frailties of human behavior, but I still think Jon will be back. Depending on how the next book/season go, there could be many plotlines tied up with the return of Jon and a start to the conclusion of the series.
Looks like he still has long hair: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/05/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-kit-harington-wimbledon