• redalastor
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    @septimine -

    But when you say "blind to faith" that does privilege the majority religion. Even if you're not personally religious, you were raised in a nominally Protestant Christian culture, with those assumptions in the background where you don't see them.

    You're making big assumptions about the culture I was raised in.

    Like crosses, for example. Most catholic and orthodox wear crosses, but they're culturally normal, you never notice them because they're everywhere.

    We notice them because there's a stigma attached to them. If you wear it, you're labeled as one of "those". You can't generalize for all of the western world.

    In fact almost all western Christian practices are grandfathered in. Our weekend (when most are off work) just so happens to coincide with the Jewish Sabbath and Christian Sunday. Christmas (on the western calendar anyway) is a major holiday. In short, for most Christians it doesn't even come up. You're already off on those days, so your not at risk of getting fired over them.

    Getting fired for asking for a more convenient schedule?

    At every step saying "just adapt to us" gives them a disadvantage-- they have to ask for what you're handed. And I think it's unfair to state that the default is good for everyone when what it is is grandfathered Christian practice and everyone else works around it.

    Because you are living in a world OP posted about. Not all of the western world is mostly Christian and our issues with religion are thus different.

  • septimine
    +3
    @redalastor -

    America has a largely nominal Christian and Protestant culture. The cultural assumptions are from western Protestant Christian tradition, as opposed to Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim cultural assumptions.

    We don't worry about whether or not pork or beef is in foods because Christian tradition has no real food taboos. In fact there was a bit of a problem when McDonald's expanded into India and never told the Indians that the fries contained beef. American executives didn't think it was a big deal because Christians eat beef, it was a big deal to the Indians because Hindus don't eat beef. We don't really (outside of crosses) have required dress for Christians and this does cause problems when Muslims have to sue to wear hijabs and others to wear turbans. People who make up uniform codes don't really think about Muslims or Sikhs.

    That's what I mean by Christian cultural assumptions. Christian scripture, clothing styles, food laws, and holidays are widely known and widely practiced even among those who are not Christian themselves. Most Americans and Brits could probably quote major bible verses (John 3:16, for example) without trouble, but would not know any verses in the Quran off by heart. Most could give the religious background of Easter but not Diwali or eid al Iftar. We know when Jesus was born but not Buddha. You don't have to practice Christianity to know these things because your culture (I'm assuming you're American) is nominally Protestant Christianity

    • redalastor
      +3
      @septimine -

      We don't worry about whether or not pork or beef is in foods because Christian tradition has no real food taboos.

      And I believe that those who do ought to be responsible for those. Of course, it's nice if people put warning about pork and all but other people don't have responsibilities for your religious rules.

      In fact there was a bit of a problem when McDonald's expanded into India and never told the Indians that the fries contained beef. American executives didn't think it was a big deal because Christians eat beef, it was a big deal to the Indians because Hindus don't eat beef.

      I actually think this is a big issue even in North America because it's not something you can reasonably expect in fries. There are plenty of vegetarians who would be pissed to learn they ate beef.

      We don't really (outside of crosses) have required dress for Christians and this does cause problems when Muslims have to sue to wear hijabs and others to wear turbans.

      You might not be we have a taboo on crosses.

      and this does cause problems when Muslims have to sue to wear hijabs and others to wear turbans.

      As in everyday life or or when it conflicts with wearing a uniform? Because in the latter, it's your responsibility to pick a job that agrees with your religious choices, not the other way around. Same with Christians who oppose contraception.

      That's what I mean by Christian cultural assumptions. Christian scripture, clothing styles, food laws, and holidays are widely known and widely practiced even among those who are not Christian themselves. Most Americans and Brits could probably quote major bible verses (John 3:16, for example) without trouble, but would not know any verses in the Quran off by heart. Most could give the religious background of Easter but not Diwali or eid al Iftar. We know when Jesus was born but not Buddha. You don't have to practice Christianity to know these things because your culture (I'm assuming you're American) is nominally Protestant Christianity

      I said earlier I wasn't American. I'm Québécois. The vast majority of us couldn't quote any major verse of the Bible and know the alledged birth of Jesus only because of our calendar. I agree that the timing of the holidays is convenient for Christians because of our former Christian history. Good for them, but I don't think anyone can hold any expectation to have his or her relgion catered to. In fact, I'd be in favour of moving the easter holidays to a fixed date every year.

      I don't think anyone has the right to expect anyone to be knowledgeable about his religion or to receive special favour because of it. Good for you if individuals or corporations or anyone do. But the government should not, ever. Which is basically the idea behind the laïcité doctrine we follow (like secularism but stricter).