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Published 8 years ago by spaceghoti with 7 Comments

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  • kdawson
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    Yes we do but I think, first, we need to face reality which is that we are ruled by the rich. Our government is bought and paid for, corruption is the norm and I can think of no way short of violent revolution (no, I'm not advocating this NSA, FBI and whoever else) to change it.

    • spaceghoti
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      We've had this problem before, and we've recovered. We know how to do it, we just have to stop listening to the status quo telling us that we lack the power.

      • kdawson
        +1

        Sorry but I disagree. This has been our history since the rich guys got together and started America. We are a nation invented by sharpers, rum runners and slave holders. Despite all the pretty words equality has never existed here.

        • spaceghoti
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          Equality isn't a destination, it's a process. Perfect equality has never existed, but perfection isn't possible in the first place. We've had greater and lesser periods of inequality in our history, and the goal is to minimize inequality to the best of our ability. There are degrees of inequality that can be tolerated so long as basic needs are met.

          • kdawson
            +1

            Tolerated by whom? Easy to say for us in comfortable, relatively, positions. As a white, heterosexual man I think I am still more free in this nation than many others and I cannot pretend that this is right. I believe in process philosophy which, to my mind, mirrors the Taoist thinking that all in process, but in the business of how we treat our fellow man I don't think we should just give up. While I have spent much time pondering the great questions (and finding no real answers) I have come to believe that the way we treat each other our only business in this life at our present state of evolution.

            • spaceghoti
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              Tolerated by those of us who consent to be governed. Yes, as a white, heterosexual man I enjoy the benefit of the lowest difficulty setting in our society. The thing is that when our nation was first founded that role was to be held by landed men. Our founders wanted the country to be ruled by a meritocracy, an elite without consideration for how that elite was to be created. But in the past two hundred years we've progressed, slowly eroding the barriers of privilege until for a while we had more equality for more people than at any other time in history. Still, it wasn't perfect. Not everyone got to benefit from it. We had to struggle to bring women into the loop, and then minorities. We're still struggling.

              But again, we've experienced this kind of inequality before. We've endured periods where the elite were able to run rampant and do what they wanted without much in the way of controls. We're finishing up a period of conservative backlash to the progress we made before the current regression, but the fact that we've regressed into higher inequality doesn't mean it isn't possible to recover.

              I want to see the greatest possible equality for all humanity, not just within my community or region but around the world. Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to create it all at once. It's a process, and that process experiences setbacks as the elite see more benefit in consolidating their wealth and influence. But again, we've been here before. We've come back from it before, and we can do it again. We can wrest control of our government away from those interests and restore accountability of our leaders to those who consent to be governed. It's up to us to remember that it's our consent that grants them their power, and that it's within our power to withdraw that consent.

            • kdawson
              +2
              @spaceghoti -

              You are exactly right about it only existing through our consent. People love their ruts and strive to dig them deeper. I think this equality for all is our greatest most important task and think that people who live their lives trying to prepare for the hereafter have got it wrong. I think that you and I, except for some details, are in agreement.

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