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  • rahmspinat
    +7

    I hope (and believe) that we'll her a lot from AOC in the future. Total fan!

    • NotWearingPants
      +8

      Remember when she said she was almost assassinated in the Jan 6 insurrection?

      She wasn't even in the building, she was blocks away in her office.

      Any time she portrays herself as a victim or gets histrionic over something and gets it on camera, take a long, hard look.

      • kxh (edited 7 months ago)
        +13

        Any actual proof of that? She was after all on the list of people they wanted to lynch. She also said they wanted to assassinate senators and members of congress and she was speaking the truth, when she said that. Nit picking without proof really doesn't make the whole incident any less dangerous or criminal.

        According to this she was in the Capitol building as the riot started, so what you said was a blatant lie.

        • NotWearingPants
          +9

          From your source:

          Ocasio-Cortez explained how she was in her office on the day of the riots when she heard loud banging on her door and a voice yelling, "Where is she? Where is she?" She ran and hid in an office bathroom, thinking an insurrectionist had broken in and she was about to die.

          Her office is NOT in the capitol building. Senior members of congress have a small, second office in the building, but even their primary offices are located in other buildings, some relatively near, some blocks away.

          Where did this "list of people they wanted to assassinate" come from. Who makes a list and carries it to a riot? Sounds like a FF or something CNN made up. Do you have a source?

          • kxh (edited 7 months ago)
            +14

            Her office is NOT in the capitol building.

            It's easy to say something like you said with the benefit of hindsight and distance and your lack of actual involvement. (You weren't involved, were you?) At the time, she and other members of parliament had no real idea of the extent of the attack, so when she says she was terrified, you can give her no sympathy? Just: she wasn't in the building so she had no justification for feeling the way she did and she was therefore lying?

            Where did this "list of people they wanted to assassinate"

            From what the rioters were saying themselves, from the fact that they knew where, for instance Pelosi's office was, and clearly Pelosi was someone they were after. Pence, Pelosi, that's a list for a start.

            • NotWearingPants
              +11

              From what the rioters were saying themselves

              Where was this reported? And were there names to attach to the rioters who said there was a kill list, or were they anonymous rioters. Because there's no way an antifa member would put on a red hat and drop some good sound bites for a pocket full of cash.

              And if it was really an insurrection, why did they all bring flags, not guns.

              She may well have been afraid. I doubt it, just based on her staged photos of crying at a parking lot fence that was supposed to be "children in cages". You know, the overflow facility for solo illegal children in Texas. The one Obama established, Trump shut , and Biden just reopened. If she can be a victim, a martyr, or just get attention, she'll do it. Why are we opening the borders to make it necessary before we open restaurants?

              Sorry for the tangent, it's just everything the government has done since 20 Jan makes no sense.

            • kxh (edited 7 months ago)
              +18
              @NotWearingPants -

              Where was this reported?

              Where they were chanting "Hang Pence".

              or just get attention, she'll do it.

              So, a politician then?

              Because there's no way an antifa member would put on a red hat and drop some good sound bites for a pocket full of cash.

              What's that got to do with the capitol riot? Are you implying that there were antifa members in the riot? I'm pretty sure that's been roundly debunked.

              why did they all bring flags, not guns

              Are you saying they didn't have guns? At least one had a spear with a steel tip. This is not just a flag.

            • NotWearingPants (edited 7 months ago)
              +9
              @kxh -

              Edit: And for a third side to today's sorry state of affairs, here's a quote that has been incorrectly attributed to Bruce Lee and Warren Buffet (So no source, but good advice):

              “You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing everything with logic. If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass.”

        • sashinator
          +4

          what you said was a blatant lie

          whoa! hey let's keep it civil

          sorry to butt in with points of order but i now have skin in this game because i read snapzu specifically to not read people namecalling

          the person you are replying to could very well be misinformed according to an Elle magazine piece about an interview on a MSNBC of Katie Porter

          however, NoWearingPants on snapzu is a source i have every bit of trust in as Katie Porter on MSNBC (in fact, i have more experience with and trust from interacting with NoWearingPants than Katie Porter - whom i never heard of before)

          so to call one of them a blatant liar is, in itself, misleading and granting some kind of credibility to one source over the other

          not to mention completely out of line

          granted i havent checked NotWearingPants' notes but I have not checked MSNBC's talking head's notes either so let's just go with that both pieces of information could be true and either of them could be false and that the truth is probably not be found in accusing one of them of lying

          • kxh
            +14

            truth

            Some say the sun rises in the east, some say it rises in the west, the truth probably lies somewhere in between, eh?

            • sashinator
              +11

              Except nobody claims the sun rises in the west

              so keep pounding that strawman into submission

            • kxh
              +13
              @sashinator -

              There are people who believe the earth is flat. As Einstein said, there is no limit to human stupidity. And clearly my example was to show that it is not always necessary to accept that there are too sides to an argument. Sometimes one side is just wrong.

            • Gozzin
              +12
              @kxh -

              But they will never admit they are wrong. A nurse in a news broadcast indicated a patient said she could not have covid cause it's a hoax,even as they were getting ready to ventilate her.

            • sashinator (edited 7 months ago)
              +12
              @kxh -

              whatever

              *two

              gtfo with that moving the goal posts shit to include flat earthers

              EiNsTeiN sAiD yOuR sTuPid cUz sOmE ppL beLiVE erTh fLAt

              just because flat earthers are labeled conspiracy theorists doesnt mean AOC is telling the truth

              you dont have proof of that. you dont

              so you are guilty of the hypocrisy you seek to expose

              QED

          • NotWearingPants
            +8

            i read snapzu specifically to not read people namecalling

            Yes, thanks. This is generally my favorite place to visit, because people are kind and respectful to one another and discussions are civil.

            • kxh
              +13

              I completely agree, here but I still will call people out when I think what they are saying isn't true, although that is rare.

              I must say, I am finding US politics dismayingly, divisive and filled with lies at the moment and it seems easy to fall into the habit of liking something because it fits in with what you believe rather than whether it's true.

            • NotWearingPants
              +11
              @kxh -

              it seems easy to fall into the habit of liking something because it fits in with what you believe rather than whether it's true.

              Easily one of the truest statement on the interwebs.

  • AnitaClark
    +5

    Not a fan myself. Lots of hype but little substance.

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