Those human beings deserve the same basic rights as the people working for them.
Exactly! So the business-owner-human-beings Deserve to get paid much more than now, and therefore you have to pay double-price for their goods and services. That's fair and just.
Note that I don't actually believe that. I'm just trying to illustrate why the idea of workers "deserving" more because they're human beings makes no sense.
No, you're missing the point. There's a baseline that ALL human beings deserve. Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare, education, INTERNET ACCESS, etc. Anything on top of those basic necessities is a luxury. Business owners get all of that plus more. If the business fails, they deserve to lose those luxuries, but not the basic necessities.
Right now, workers do not get all of those things as a basic, guaranteed necessity. We're talking about bringing the bar up to the bare minimum.
Put even simpler, everyone deserves $10. Workers get $6. Business owners get $15. You're arguing that if workers get $4 more so that they get $10, then business owners deserve $4 to get $19. That's not how this works.
You're arguing that if workers get $4 more so that they get $10, then business owners deserve $4 to get $19. That's not how this works.
Yeah, that's not how that works, but that is how being objective would work. If everyone deserves more because they're human beings, then they all deserve equally more (regardless of whether they're the employer or the employed)
No, you are completely ignoring my point. Everyone does not deserve MORE, everyone deserves a BASELINE. We don't get more money until everyone's basic needs are met. When everyone's cup is full, then you can start buying more cups. The employers' cups are full right now and the employees' are not.
If everyone gets more at a flat, lump sum, it does nothing to change the inequality.
Exactly! So the business-owner-human-beings Deserve to get paid much more than now, and therefore you have to pay double-price for their goods and services. That's fair and just.
Note that I don't actually believe that. I'm just trying to illustrate why the idea of workers "deserving" more because they're human beings makes no sense.
No, you're missing the point. There's a baseline that ALL human beings deserve. Food, shelter, clothing, healthcare, education, INTERNET ACCESS, etc. Anything on top of those basic necessities is a luxury. Business owners get all of that plus more. If the business fails, they deserve to lose those luxuries, but not the basic necessities.
Right now, workers do not get all of those things as a basic, guaranteed necessity. We're talking about bringing the bar up to the bare minimum.
Put even simpler, everyone deserves $10. Workers get $6. Business owners get $15. You're arguing that if workers get $4 more so that they get $10, then business owners deserve $4 to get $19. That's not how this works.
Yeah, that's not how that works, but that is how being objective would work. If everyone deserves more because they're human beings, then they all deserve equally more (regardless of whether they're the employer or the employed)
No, you are completely ignoring my point. Everyone does not deserve MORE, everyone deserves a BASELINE. We don't get more money until everyone's basic needs are met. When everyone's cup is full, then you can start buying more cups. The employers' cups are full right now and the employees' are not.
If everyone gets more at a flat, lump sum, it does nothing to change the inequality.
I think I'll just go ahead and remove Snapzu and Hubski from my Firefox now.