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Published 11 months ago with 4 Comments

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  • TheGrayHatter
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    I feel that this will dominate the general if Hilary can push it well. There could be a solution in barring the sale of guns on those of the watch list but I feel that would be too drastic of a step as well as an overreach. TOR could land someone on that list which makes it's effectiveness questionable.

    • joethebob
      +4

      The actual size of the list and who is on it is not public information, but we have estimates: In 2011, an FBI fact sheet said there were 420,000 people on the list. Current estimates have put the list at around 700,000. Since the database pulls information from U.S. and global agencies, only a relative handful — about 8,400 in 2011 and likely around 10,000 now — are American citizens or legal residents.

      The secret list bullshit will never fly. If you can't maintain a list in the open with clear methods and qualifications for entry and removal it's all just another step into the security state.

    • NinjaKlaus
      +3

      In theory they should at least come up with the smart compromise of enhanced checks for people investigated for terrorism previously when they are trying to buy guns. In 2013 or 2014 this guy was looked at by the FBI for terror leanings, they found nothing but should have flagged him as a potential risk and that should have triggered another look just to be sure when he went to buy the guns.

      • Appaloosa (edited 11 months ago)
        +4

        The top Senate Democrat on the Select Committee on Intelligence told CNN’s Jake Tapper that despite two opened and closed FBI investigations into Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen, the massacre was not a result of an intelligence failure. “I don’t believe there has been any intelligence failure associated with this,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.)

        The guy was on a terrorist watch list.

        Not your fault right Diane? Once again, our security "service" failed the American Republic, Boston, Fort Hood, San Bernardino, Orlando....and your answer is too many guns in America. You have total and utter access to every message and phone call being transmitted, you forcefully tramped on privacy in the name of your security program and somehow, after giving all of this over to you, you and your snoopers share no blame or responsibility in these events.

        This self serving POS and people like her are not going to part of any solution.

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