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Published 7 years ago by hedman with 8 Comments

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  • ChrisTyler
    +8

    For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said.

    Soooo, their position is essentially: "We have no evidence that Russia did it, but dude, trust us, it was them."

  • AdelleChattre
    +5

    This is the same CIA that claimed the Soviet Union was invulnerable and unstoppable for years after it'd completely collapsed? The same CIA that's failed in their analysis on every major event in world history since its founding, with a statistically unlikely preference for overhyping foreign threats and accumulating unchecked power? Bay of Pigs, Castro's cigar, politicized Wahabbi Salafist mujahedin, Iran/Contra, coke dealing, arms trafficking, playing Skinny Puppy at Noriega in a monastery, gang that couldn't shoot straight CIA? Who says what now?

    • RoamingGnome
      +4

      Let's not forget the bacha bazi. The CIA procured little boys for Afghan warlords to fondle.

    • sashinator
      +3

      Those are all the events which went sour, yes. How many other things have they done right since WWII? We will never know because if they do their jobs correctly - we won't know about it, that's part of doing covert operations correctly.

      There have to be at least some fuckups, unavoidably, subpar people in charge of operations, incompetence in general which no organization is immune to. But I sometimes wonder how many realities we accept as such and as just and as normal and perhaps even as virtuous because of some geopolitical web of intrigue played out by intelligence, without anyone ever knowing about it.

      • AdelleChattre (edited 7 years ago)
        +2

        Went sour? Those are the CIA at the height of their successes. If you want to look into their failures, as Congress has done maybe once or twice or perhaps thrice, you’ll find things you might rather you’d didn’t know. Certainly so if you’d prefer to believe secrecy somehow fosters honor, sacrifice and nobility of spirit. Something akin to believing that warm, dark, moist conditions foster, not fungus and bugs and gelatinous menaces, but disease cures and beautiful people. Or like believing the emporer’s new clothes must really be grand indeed, or why would the tailors’ve needed to be paid so handsomely for them?

        So don’t turn the rock over unless you’re ready for what you’ll see.

        Me, I think the giveaway that this latest “slam dunk” is perhaps less important than they’d have you believe, is that their explanations for why [Gasp, shock, horror!] someone might seek to influence foreign elections are typically asinine.

  • archmagician
    +4

    And, if true, is anyone surprised? It's not like outside manipulation of elections in other countries is a new thing.

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