Honestly, I would really prefer that the down vote button stayed as only for spam, etc and not for disagreements. That is a real big step back in my opinion.
Part of the reason this community is so great is that people aren't down voting everything into oblivion just because they disagree with the content.
EDIT: I reread the post and it does seem like the down-voted person will not receive any negative consequences (loss of points, etc).
However, I still stand by my earlier comment. There really should not be an 'I disagree' option. The rest of the options for moderation in the pop-up are perfectly fine.
I disagree with you, but the only thing I can do right now is leave the up/down votes alone (I don't want to down vote just because I disagree), however this doesn't actually let you know that I disagree. Sure I can comment, and many might do just that, but being able to publicly record disagreements is great and like DN said can open up new doors to sorting by controversial with can be a very effective way to find good discussions/arguments. Not to mention how well this new concept will teach people to only down vote for moderation purposes instead of hurting placement and reputation with disagreements.
Ya, I get what you are saying. I suppose I should hold off judgment until I see it in action.
My aversion to it is mostly due to what people have had to deal with on Reddit. I really like Snapzu and don't ever want to see that happen here.
I don't want the 'I disagree' count ever be used as a system metric for burying a snap or comment from view at some point down the line. You know?
I would like that there is more to it then just 'I disagree' though. I would prefer that if someone disagrees with what I wrote or shared that they make a comment explaining why so I could understand, have a conversation with them about it, and maybe even change my stance on an issue.
"I don't want the 'I disagree' count ever be used as a system metric for burying a snap or comment from view at some point down the line. You know?"
The way I imagine it is that it will be used to actually promote the more "hot/intense" discussions. Personally I think it's amazing that I can go into a post and sort by the most interesting/controversial being shown first, this way I can join a proper discussion and not something where the hivemind is just being agreeable.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but this could lead to less comments and therefor less conversation if you can simply click down vote to disagree and don't have to comment on it, right? Just something we should keep in mind. Is it really a good idea to implement a feature that encourages the community to comment less? Could be, i am just not sure.
I actually think it will do the opposite. Going to re-read the post, but I feel with the new sorting function it will promote discussion instead of squelching it.
They can but they shouldn't. I still believe that even if the current down vote button is used as a "I Disagree" button not all do so and use it as it is supposed to be used.
I think in the future more people who would have commented simply use the "I Disagree" button. Hopefully that will not happen, we will see.
There really should not be an 'I disagree' option.
That was my first thought reading this. If you disagree, then make a comment and say so. Disagreement should require engaging in a dialog, which is productive, versus just hitting a button, which is not. It encourages them to explain why they disagree.
Unless they've already gotten 3 replies saying the same thing you would. It'll show severity, something that someone might like to know when they venture into the wrong tribe.
Honestly, I would really prefer that the down vote button stayed as only for spam, etc and not for disagreements. That is a real big step back in my opinion.
Part of the reason this community is so great is that people aren't down voting everything into oblivion just because they disagree with the content.
EDIT: I reread the post and it does seem like the down-voted person will not receive any negative consequences (loss of points, etc).
However, I still stand by my earlier comment. There really should not be an 'I disagree' option. The rest of the options for moderation in the pop-up are perfectly fine.
I disagree with you, but the only thing I can do right now is leave the up/down votes alone (I don't want to down vote just because I disagree), however this doesn't actually let you know that I disagree. Sure I can comment, and many might do just that, but being able to publicly record disagreements is great and like DN said can open up new doors to sorting by controversial with can be a very effective way to find good discussions/arguments. Not to mention how well this new concept will teach people to only down vote for moderation purposes instead of hurting placement and reputation with disagreements.
Ya, I get what you are saying. I suppose I should hold off judgment until I see it in action.
My aversion to it is mostly due to what people have had to deal with on Reddit. I really like Snapzu and don't ever want to see that happen here.
I don't want the 'I disagree' count ever be used as a system metric for burying a snap or comment from view at some point down the line. You know?
I would like that there is more to it then just 'I disagree' though. I would prefer that if someone disagrees with what I wrote or shared that they make a comment explaining why so I could understand, have a conversation with them about it, and maybe even change my stance on an issue.
The way I imagine it is that it will be used to actually promote the more "hot/intense" discussions. Personally I think it's amazing that I can go into a post and sort by the most interesting/controversial being shown first, this way I can join a proper discussion and not something where the hivemind is just being agreeable.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but this could lead to less comments and therefor less conversation if you can simply click down vote to disagree and don't have to comment on it, right? Just something we should keep in mind. Is it really a good idea to implement a feature that encourages the community to comment less? Could be, i am just not sure.
Less redundant conversation, which is good. If someone already offered a great rebuttal, the community does not need me to add "me too!".
It also doubles as a pressure valve for the tension inherent to the conversation.
I actually think it will do the opposite. Going to re-read the post, but I feel with the new sorting function it will promote discussion instead of squelching it.
Really, how so? If I can simply down vote to disagree why should i be bothered to make a comment?
People can do this now. Yet discussions are still happening so I don't think a "I Disagree" option will change that.
They can but they shouldn't. I still believe that even if the current down vote button is used as a "I Disagree" button not all do so and use it as it is supposed to be used. I think in the future more people who would have commented simply use the "I Disagree" button. Hopefully that will not happen, we will see.
This.
You don't really want a lot of these type comments do you?
From what I read 'disagreement' down votes will not appear as down votes but instead as a new gray round icon.
I understood it like this as well. I hope it is like this, otherwise i absolutely agree with /u/microfracture .
That was my first thought reading this. If you disagree, then make a comment and say so. Disagreement should require engaging in a dialog, which is productive, versus just hitting a button, which is not. It encourages them to explain why they disagree.
Unless they've already gotten 3 replies saying the same thing you would. It'll show severity, something that someone might like to know when they venture into the wrong tribe.