My question is, Shouldn't the owners of those guns be held accountable for that? Shouldn't they have taken better care of their guns by locking them up? I am guessing the answer here is no.
The answer here is complicated, it depends on location, in some places like where I am the law says that unless in use, on a hunt, or at a range your weapons must be stored in a locked out of reach place, like a gun cabinet. If they aren't you are liable for any harm that comes from the weapon in the event of a child getting it or such.
We have a law that also says that if you don't let the local PD know that your weapon was stolen you can be held partially liable for any crime committed with it. Which also helps make sure you have legal weapons to begin with because you have to give them the information about the gun and it's serial number when reporting it.
You are also saying that some of them are owned by gangs (if I am not mistaken, these were stolen from their owners' homes - also because they were not secured) and then the smugglers and then the rest. My question is, The gun owners are obviously not capable to responsibly deal with their guns - So, why the fuck is everybody telling me that I should just trust the gun owners?
Not every gang member is known to law enforcement and therefore they are not in the database of illegal purchasers. Meaning that some can legally walk into a gun store, fill out the ATF forms and apply for the FBI/NICS Background check(that many don't appear to know is a requirement to buy a gun) and once approved go back and get the weapon. Although this only applies to Gun Stores, not third party sales such as me to you. Also sales are flagged if you try and purchase a certain amount in a short amount of time to try and keep gangs from legally buying large numbers.
Mentally unstable gun owners (the ones that do these mass killings) may not have been mentally unstable when they applied for and got their weapons. You don't always know who is going to become unstable.
As to why you should trust gun owners, you shouldn't, you should trust the system did its best to make sure the worst of the people didn't get hold of a weapon. Sadly, the government can't make sure of that in every single case, there are 300mm people in the US, billions in the world, bad people are going to get through no matter what. A man in Europe killed kids at a camp with a knife, people have driven into crowds with cars, terrorists get weapons in known gun control Europe, bombers build bombs at home from fricking cow shit. Sad truth is you can't trust all people.
Now, I dont give a shit about Americans owning guns - we live in a violent society that is rotten to the core and I've lost hope that anything will ever change. I just don't like it when these excuses for owning guns are pushed down on us, when we all know that the vast majority of gun owners just want to shoot the shit up and that's why they own guns (putting the dick size issue aside, which may or may not be fair). Those excuses and the nar insults my intelligence.
Excuses for owning guns, well there is only one "excuse" and that's because the 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court the highest law in the land has found that we have a right to have them. I haven't met this majority of gun happy hillbilly described that just likes to shoot things though and I've lived in the "deep" south all my life.
Now I'm not saying the NRA is great, but their job is ...
My question is, Shouldn't the owners of those guns be held accountable for that? Shouldn't they have taken better care of their guns by locking them up? I am guessing the answer here is no.
The answer here is complicated, it depends on location, in some places like where I am the law says that unless in use, on a hunt, or at a range your weapons must be stored in a locked out of reach place, like a gun cabinet. If they aren't you are liable for any harm that comes from the weapon in the event of a child getting it or such.
We have a law that also says that if you don't let the local PD know that your weapon was stolen you can be held partially liable for any crime committed with it. Which also helps make sure you have legal weapons to begin with because you have to give them the information about the gun and it's serial number when reporting it.
You are also saying that some of them are owned by gangs (if I am not mistaken, these were stolen from their owners' homes - also because they were not secured) and then the smugglers and then the rest. My question is, The gun owners are obviously not capable to responsibly deal with their guns - So, why the fuck is everybody telling me that I should just trust the gun owners?
Not every gang member is known to law enforcement and therefore they are not in the database of illegal purchasers. Meaning that some can legally walk into a gun store, fill out the ATF forms and apply for the FBI/NICS Background check(that many don't appear to know is a requirement to buy a gun) and once approved go back and get the weapon. Although this only applies to Gun Stores, not third party sales such as me to you. Also sales are flagged if you try and purchase a certain amount in a short amount of time to try and keep gangs from legally buying large numbers.
Mentally unstable gun owners (the ones that do these mass killings) may not have been mentally unstable when they applied for and got their weapons. You don't always know who is going to become unstable.
As to why you should trust gun owners, you shouldn't, you should trust the system did its best to make sure the worst of the people didn't get hold of a weapon. Sadly, the government can't make sure of that in every single case, there are 300mm people in the US, billions in the world, bad people are going to get through no matter what. A man in Europe killed kids at a camp with a knife, people have driven into crowds with cars, terrorists get weapons in known gun control Europe, bombers build bombs at home from fricking cow shit. Sad truth is you can't trust all people.
Now, I dont give a shit about Americans owning guns - we live in a violent society that is rotten to the core and I've lost hope that anything will ever change. I just don't like it when these excuses for owning guns are pushed down on us, when we all know that the vast majority of gun owners just want to shoot the shit up and that's why they own guns (putting the dick size issue aside, which may or may not be fair). Those excuses and the nar insults my intelligence.
Excuses for owning guns, well there is only one "excuse" and that's because the 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court the highest law in the land has found that we have a right to have them. I haven't met this majority of gun happy hillbilly described that just likes to shoot things though and I've lived in the "deep" south all my life.
Now I'm not saying the NRA is great, but their job is to lobby for Gun companies, just as CTA is to lobby for Comcast to be able to gobble up NBC Universal or Disney lobbies for DMCA extensions and Copyright extensions because Mickey Mouse is about to be public (which by the way is about to happen again, expect a new copyright extension act soon). I'm just saying they are doing their job and it's a large part of the country supports with donations.
The newest question from my FB feed is why is it not ok to judge all Muslims by the actions of their extremists, but it's ok to judge all gun owners for the actions of the extremists? I know, potatoes and oranges but I feel there is some validity to the question.
As for gun control, I'm all for the background check being expanded to Gun Shows, I'm OK with requiring gun safety and proper use classes to finish the process of buying a gun, after all the amendment does say "well regulated" which should include proper usage knowledge. I think being barred from buying a gun if you're on a watch list is a valid reason, but you should also be given the right to challenge your name being on that list in federal court because it's not infallible, look at the kids on it because they happen to have the same name as a suspect. If you should be on that list validly, the FBI and DOJ should be able to prove it in court, even the FISA court would be ok, so long as you get to challenge it. I damn sure believe that if you've been investigated before that you should at least be flagged for enhanced background checks when applying for the weapon.
The answer here is complicated, it depends on location, in some places like where I am the law says that unless in use, on a hunt, or at a range your weapons must be stored in a locked out of reach place, like a gun cabinet. If they aren't you are liable for any harm that comes from the weapon in the event of a child getting it or such.
We have a law that also says that if you don't let the local PD know that your weapon was stolen you can be held partially liable for any crime committed with it. Which also helps make sure you have legal weapons to begin with because you have to give them the information about the gun and it's serial number when reporting it.
Not every gang member is known to law enforcement and therefore they are not in the database of illegal purchasers. Meaning that some can legally walk into a gun store, fill out the ATF forms and apply for the FBI/NICS Background check(that many don't appear to know is a requirement to buy a gun) and once approved go back and get the weapon. Although this only applies to Gun Stores, not third party sales such as me to you. Also sales are flagged if you try and purchase a certain amount in a short amount of time to try and keep gangs from legally buying large numbers.
Mentally unstable gun owners (the ones that do these mass killings) may not have been mentally unstable when they applied for and got their weapons. You don't always know who is going to become unstable.
As to why you should trust gun owners, you shouldn't, you should trust the system did its best to make sure the worst of the people didn't get hold of a weapon. Sadly, the government can't make sure of that in every single case, there are 300mm people in the US, billions in the world, bad people are going to get through no matter what. A man in Europe killed kids at a camp with a knife, people have driven into crowds with cars, terrorists get weapons in known gun control Europe, bombers build bombs at home from fricking cow shit. Sad truth is you can't trust all people.
Excuses for owning guns, well there is only one "excuse" and that's because the 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court the highest law in the land has found that we have a right to have them. I haven't met this majority of gun happy hillbilly described that just likes to shoot things though and I've lived in the "deep" south all my life.
Now I'm not saying the NRA is great, but their job is ...
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I promise they never start that way, then you hit the post button and it's like, fuck I'm crazy as a loon.