But they do actually tend to be better dancers. They have bigger penises too.

There are a few things you're holding as truths here. One is your admiration for dancing black men and their genitals, which you think is an objective fact. Another is that you need to confront us with that because we're not comfortable enough with it. Not surprised you spend a lot of time being sexually threatened that way. Not sure that it's other people's discomfort you ought to examine.

We all know those are facts.

No, we don't. Even if these racial generalizations were true in a loose sense, that would only be a starting place for thought. You can assert that this is so, but it's a coarse generalization, right and wrong about any specific individual. You can say that your opinion that this is so is a fact. What you're claiming, though, is not a fact. It might be the beginnings of some, but that would require you to go further.

You could use this sham insight you have, you know, when you often find yourself thinking about dance, as the basis for some reflection on why you feel that way. You could go into the cultural context of dance and performance in black society. You could delve into the traditions that could explain a historical emphasis on developing an ability to dance as a priority in black culture, the way playing chess is taken seriously in Russian society. Rather than that, though, you short-circuit and come up with it being a racial characteristic rather than a cultural one you've given any real thought to.

You've done yourself no favor with this prejudice. It's not going to be taken as you stating incontrovertible proof. At least in my case, I take it as revealing a mess of pre-occupations.

I’d say you’re reading way too much into what I wrote, but.. that would be based on the assumption that you’re being sincere.

Personally, I'd say you should look further into what you've written above, and I do say that sincerely.

I meant that in a self-deprecating way

What exactly is self-deprecating about you stating your race in co-opted black slang from the early Cenzoic era?

but that doesn’t really matter because it’s you who decides what’s acceptable for me to say, right?

Actually, it is up to me to decide what I'm going to accept. If it just so happens that majorities of people find your pronouncements on race offensive, you may want to consider whether everyone else is wrong and you're on solid ground. Maybe if you climbed down from that race-realist martyr's cross long enough, you might get a better perspective.

Now if you were intellectually honest, instead of continuing to shame me (like a psychopath would), you could just dig up some crime American crime statistics (as I explicitly specified, to make sure my claim was true), and see that I was, in fact, speaking the truth.

You can make a factual claim like that and still screw it up. The context where you're making a personal observation about race determining criminal behavior is part of the way it'll be received. Among the reasons that analytical statement could be taken as offensive include what you've done or not done with that information. The eugenicist's assumption that genetics determine behavior is likely to bother some people, given what horrors have been wrought in the name of that cause. Your refusal to consider historic, social and cultural reasons for the statistical claim, leaving the attribution of guilt to a race without lookin...

But they do actually tend to be better dancers. They have bigger penises too.

There are a few things you're holding as truths here. One is your admiration for dancing black men and their genitals, which you think is an objective fact. Another is that you need to confront us with that because we're not comfortable enough with it. Not surprised you spend a lot of time being sexually threatened that way. Not sure that it's other people's discomfort you ought to examine.

We all know those are facts.

No, we don't. Even if these racial generalizations were true in a loose sense, that would only be a starting place for thought. You can assert that this is so, but it's a coarse generalization, right and wrong about any specific individual. You can say that your opinion that this is so is a fact. What you're claiming, though, is not a fact. It might be the beginnings of some, but that would require you to go further.

You could use this sham insight you have, you know, when you often find yourself thinking about dance, as the basis for some reflection on why you feel that way. You could go into the cultural context of dance and performance in black society. You could delve into the traditions that could explain a historical emphasis on developing an ability to dance as a priority in black culture, the way playing chess is taken seriously in Russian society. Rather than that, though, you short-circuit and come up with it being a racial characteristic rather than a cultural one you've given any real thought to.

You've done yourself no favor with this prejudice. It's not going to be taken as you stating incontrovertible proof. At least in my case, I take it as revealing a mess of pre-occupations.

I’d say you’re reading way too much into what I wrote, but.. that would be based on the assumption that you’re being sincere.

Personally, I'd say you should look further into what you've written above, and I do say that sincerely.

I meant that in a self-deprecating way

What exactly is self-deprecating about you stating your race in co-opted black slang from the early Cenzoic era?

but that doesn’t really matter because it’s you who decides what’s acceptable for me to say, right?

Actually, it is up to me to decide what I'm going to accept. If it just so happens that majorities of people find your pronouncements on race offensive, you may want to consider whether everyone else is wrong and you're on solid ground. Maybe if you climbed down from that race-realist martyr's cross long enough, you might get a better perspective.

Now if you were intellectually honest, instead of continuing to shame me (like a psychopath would), you could just dig up some crime American crime statistics (as I explicitly specified, to make sure my claim was true), and see that I was, in fact, speaking the truth.

You can make a factual claim like that and still screw it up. The context where you're making a personal observation about race determining criminal behavior is part of the way it'll be received. Among the reasons that analytical statement could be taken as offensive include what you've done or not done with that information. The eugenicist's assumption that genetics determine behavior is likely to bother some people, given what horrors have been wrought in the name of that cause. Your refusal to consider historic, social and cultural reasons for the statistical claim, leaving the attribution of guilt to a race without looking at the ways that statistic is deceptive and even part and parcel of oppression, that's also discomforting.

More than any of a host of other problems with that pat claim, personally when it is so often made I consider how honest the claimant is being about why they're bringing it up. It was made fairly eloquently here recently. On the basis of honesty, I don't rate you highly.

I’ll save myself the trouble of digging them up for you, because it’s not like that would affect the way you conduct this conversation.

Conversation isn't you dropping a factoid you feel backs up your racial hostility.

The term does bother me “on a basic level”, because it’s mostly just a propaganda talking point for our rulers in their quest to gradually condition us into not speaking up about anything, until the whole world is one big North-Korea.

Yeah. We could have a whole go round about the use of the term 'hate crime,' but I'm weirdly not interested in your persecution fantasies. What exactly is it you think hate crimes legislation is keeping you from doing that you'd so very much like to do? How is it that you're being silenced by hate crimes laws? Want to pull that out for us so we can all have a look at that?

Black people vandalize and loot businesses that didn’t do anything to them because.. racism!

Appropos of nothing like this, this comes off as you fixating again. Is this like a race war crime you find endlessly provocative and interesting? Does it go somewhere, in your mind, leading to an actual point?

Wilson neverthless had reason to believe that Brown, who was six feet, four inches tall and weighed nearly 300 pounds, meant him harm.

Oh. The police killing of Michael Brown. Which, apparently to you, is some kind of racial Pearl Harbor that's awakened you to the neverending threat of black dance.

Right, because that’s what I’d call a group of peaceful protesters holding signs, just as likely as a group of people who just broke into an electronics store and are walking out carrying flat screen TVs. There's that dishonesty again.

Without knowing that you were free-associating on civil disorder following the death of Michael Brown, I guess your black-people-are-apes 'insight' struck me as grotesquely offensive. Which it still does.

So now you’ve painted that broad brush into my hands!

You're one to talk.

If I made the claim that “Asian people are shorter than white people”, would you complain that I’m “ascribing characteristics to a race”?

Yes. Had you worked the phrase 'tend to be' into there, maybe that crude generalization could be made to evaluate as true rather than glaring racial prejudice. Even then, though, with progress in nutrition, standards of living, and genetic diversity, people in Asia are getting to be taller. You fail when you make absolute statements about race, over and over again. Maybe you're after convenience or simplicity when you keep doing that, but what you get is a reeking odor.

Or would you perhaps just settle for acknowledging that I mean the ones who actually are?

No, I won't. This is crudity in your thinking. Not some honesty you think you're endowed with. Let that sink in.

Pro-tip: the way honest people debate others on the intarwebs, is by quoting things they said, and addressing them directly.

Racial animosity is all-too-common. You could work through some of that by not using race as a convenient mental shortcut. The goal you could set for yourself, and I hope you do, might be finding some unity with the individuals you are trimming out of your overbroad, noxiously coarse racial generalizations. You know, like the ones you just left out of your blacks-as-apes pathology above. Less time fixating on race enemies would give you more time for things you'd rather be doing. Like dancing.