Of course a "a loving home is a vast improvement over a cage or death". I hope i don't have to explain that i agree with that. Anyway, that does not change my standpoint. The normal even domesticated cat roams mils a day, there is no way a "house cat" lives under species-appropriate conditions if you keep it in a house, no matter how big it is. It's the same with Zoos btw. To me, there is only one legitimate case where holding an animal in a cage (or house), is somewhat ok and that's when you save it from extinction (and even that depends on the circumstances but that's a whole different discussion).
Regarding your example with the injured cat. I don't like it at all. Sure that's horrible but it is by no means related to what i said. I said, that if you don't have the place or live in a city then simply don't get a cat. Obviously letting a cat free in a region that is not save is as bad or even worse than putting it in a small room.
I realize that this is something, especially people with house pets, cannot agree with but it's simply not species-appropriate no matter how loved the cat is. I also don't think that a house pet has necessarily a bad life or something but i think it would have a better life otherwise. I have the feeling you will not agree with that but that's ok, we don't have to.
Honestly, I can't even wrap my head around your train of thought here. We adopted a stray cat a few years back, brought him home, fed him etc, but let him keep running around outside. Until the day I had a $1,000 vet bill, and this was after multiple fights with other cats, a raccoon or two, and who knows what else.
My point? That cat was happy as could be inside. Never tried to get back outside, never meowed longingly at the door, never had a single issue with making a transition from an outdoor to an indoor cat. Died at 17 years old fat and happy and purring the whole way.
In your world, no one should or would have a cat. Name an area where a cat can run free, with no risk of a passing car running it over as it crosses a street, AND that same area is free of other predators or animals that could kill or injure the cat?
I wrote a wall of text but deleted everything cause i realized i can't say more as i already did. I already answered everything you questioned but it seems like you don't like what i said which is fine but i will not repeat it endlessly here.
Of course a "a loving home is a vast improvement over a cage or death". I hope i don't have to explain that i agree with that. Anyway, that does not change my standpoint. The normal even domesticated cat roams mils a day, there is no way a "house cat" lives under species-appropriate conditions if you keep it in a house, no matter how big it is. It's the same with Zoos btw. To me, there is only one legitimate case where holding an animal in a cage (or house), is somewhat ok and that's when you save it from extinction (and even that depends on the circumstances but that's a whole different discussion).
Regarding your example with the injured cat. I don't like it at all. Sure that's horrible but it is by no means related to what i said. I said, that if you don't have the place or live in a city then simply don't get a cat. Obviously letting a cat free in a region that is not save is as bad or even worse than putting it in a small room.
I realize that this is something, especially people with house pets, cannot agree with but it's simply not species-appropriate no matter how loved the cat is. I also don't think that a house pet has necessarily a bad life or something but i think it would have a better life otherwise. I have the feeling you will not agree with that but that's ok, we don't have to.
Honestly, I can't even wrap my head around your train of thought here. We adopted a stray cat a few years back, brought him home, fed him etc, but let him keep running around outside. Until the day I had a $1,000 vet bill, and this was after multiple fights with other cats, a raccoon or two, and who knows what else.
My point? That cat was happy as could be inside. Never tried to get back outside, never meowed longingly at the door, never had a single issue with making a transition from an outdoor to an indoor cat. Died at 17 years old fat and happy and purring the whole way.
In your world, no one should or would have a cat. Name an area where a cat can run free, with no risk of a passing car running it over as it crosses a street, AND that same area is free of other predators or animals that could kill or injure the cat?
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I wrote a wall of text but deleted everything cause i realized i can't say more as i already did. I already answered everything you questioned but it seems like you don't like what i said which is fine but i will not repeat it endlessly here.
exactly, thx for the discussion. :)