I've seen people tie Taylorism to progressivism before, but it bugs me. You could make a case that scientific management was part of the Progressive Era, or that it was an effort at progress in some loose sense of the word. However, you should know that Taylorism is diametrically opposed to what you’ve called progressive ideals.
It bugs me in a similar way as when I see Cato claim that unions are labor cartels. Or the way it might bother you to see someone claim that Cheneyism is an outgrowth of conservatism, instead of a scaly, shambling thing clambering out of a sulfurous pit of evil.
What I think of as progressivism is investigative journalism; food and workplace safety, child labor, environmental, housing and anti-trust laws. Taylorism — ruthless, brutal, short-sighted exploitation of individually-worthless completely-interchangeable employees — it’s fair to say, the precise opposite of the progressive ideals you're throwing around above.
Seems as though people are randomly assigned their political worldviews around progressivism or conservatism. How else is it such a precarious, stalemated, balance maintained? But mixing up progressivism with socialism with Communism with Taylorism as just all being on the other side, somehow, is worse than wrong, it’s unfair distortion.
Taylorism is, in no fair sense, anything at all to do with progressive ideals.
"According to Rakesh Khurana of the Harvard Business School (in From Higher Aims to Hired Hands), the first corporation managers came from an industrial engineering background and saw their job as doing for the entire organization what they’d previously done for production on the shop floor. The managerial revolution in the large corporation, Khurana writes, was in essence an attempt to apply the engineer’s approach (standardizing and rationalizing tools, processes, and systems) to the organization as a system.
And according to Yehouda Shenhav (Manufacturing Rationality: The Engineering Foundations of the Managerial Revolution), Progressivism was the ideology of the managers and engineers who administered the large organizations; political action was a matter of applying the same principles they used to rationalize their organizations to society as a whole. Shenhav writes (quoting Robert Wiebe):"
Taylorism was absolutely a product of the Progressive era thought process of that time.
All that means is that not everything in the Progressive movement was good, no more than Cheney, part of the Neocon regime, was good.
I've seen people tie Taylorism to progressivism before, but it bugs me. You could make a case that scientific management was part of the Progressive Era, or that it was an effort at progress in some loose sense of the word. However, you should know that Taylorism is diametrically opposed to what you’ve called progressive ideals.
It bugs me in a similar way as when I see Cato claim that unions are labor cartels. Or the way it might bother you to see someone claim that Cheneyism is an outgrowth of conservatism, instead of a scaly, shambling thing clambering out of a sulfurous pit of evil.
What I think of as progressivism is investigative journalism; food and workplace safety, child labor, environmental, housing and anti-trust laws. Taylorism — ruthless, brutal, short-sighted exploitation of individually-worthless completely-interchangeable employees — it’s fair to say, the precise opposite of the progressive ideals you're throwing around above.
Seems as though people are randomly assigned their political worldviews around progressivism or conservatism. How else is it such a precarious, stalemated, balance maintained? But mixing up progressivism with socialism with Communism with Taylorism as just all being on the other side, somehow, is worse than wrong, it’s unfair distortion.
Taylorism is, in no fair sense, anything at all to do with progressive ideals.
That said, due respect.
"According to Rakesh Khurana of the Harvard Business School (in From Higher Aims to Hired Hands), the first corporation managers came from an industrial engineering background and saw their job as doing for the entire organization what they’d previously done for production on the shop floor. The managerial revolution in the large corporation, Khurana writes, was in essence an attempt to apply the engineer’s approach (standardizing and rationalizing tools, processes, and systems) to the organization as a system.
And according to Yehouda Shenhav (Manufacturing Rationality: The Engineering Foundations of the Managerial Revolution), Progressivism was the ideology of the managers and engineers who administered the large organizations; political action was a matter of applying the same principles they used to rationalize their organizations to society as a whole. Shenhav writes (quoting Robert Wiebe):"
Taylorism was absolutely a product of the Progressive era thought process of that time.
All that means is that not everything in the Progressive movement was good, no more than Cheney, part of the Neocon regime, was good.
And I must apologize to spaceghoti I am deeply sorry for saying that bury brigades followed you.
Pease accept my apology.