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  • Tawsix
    +3

    I added a link to show the ridiculousness of blaming mass shootings on Republicans. I don't even know how to respond to the assertion that advocating for small government makes you a racist. I don't know how the discussion could devolve any lower.

    • AdelleChattre
      +3

      At the risk of embarrassing you, have you read any of the links here?

      Have you found that assertion in any of them?

      Or have you made that up in a hasty conniption fit before posting toxic nonsense into the related links?

      • Tawsix
        +4

        I read the whole article you posted, although you don't have to go far into it to find that assertion, as it's in the subtitle: "How could it not be political, when the Republican Party has weaponized its supporters and made violence a virtue?"

        How about this:

        Leftism no longer constitutes a debatable misuse of American power, but theft and governmental overreach. And nothing — nothing — emphasizes that overreach and theft like black people.

        or this:

        The enemy is one entity now. Black people are the engine of the Democratic Party, which is the engine of bad government, which is the engine of illegitimate oppression.

        and at the end:

        Most of all, do not under any circumstances politicize this moment, because you might risk discovering how much it could echo 50 years of the violently anti-government racialized rhetoric of a Republican Party piggybacking on 150 years of Southern white resentment.

        Not to mention the lovely Atwater quote taken out of context completely: he was literally talking about how race was no longer an issue you could campaign on in the south because it didn't sell to southern whites.

        • AdelleChattre
          +4

          Let‘s review. The assertion you said you were responding to:

          advocating for small government makes you a racist

          When asked to cite a source for that assertion, what you produced is:

          How could it not be political, when the Republican Party has weaponized its supporters and made violence a virtue?

          Which, if we’re honest about this, fails as a source for that assertion. As close a source as you could find:

          50 years of the violently anti-government racialized rhetoric of a Republican Party piggybacking on 150 years of Southern white resentment

          Which we can only consider a source if we abandon logic to support your hysterical outburst. Okay, let’s try that then. Let’s assume that by ‘advocating for small government’ you meant to say ‘being a Republican.’ Making your assertion ‘Being a Republican makes you a racist.’ Even that’s absurd, and to my knowledge found nowhere in these links. That tortured assertion is yours, and you can keep it.

          If you can’t be bothered to distinguish between a political party’s strategy to do with race and the members of that party universally being racists themselves personally, I think it’s fair to say you’re not bringing your ‘A’ game today.

          As for your claim that Lee Atwater’s explanation of the Southern strategy is about racism no longer being an issue in the South, I’m afraid you’ve either entirely missed the point of what he was saying, or, and I say this with no disrespect for your opinion, you’re just deluding yourself. Read it again and just see if you can’t work out how he may’ve been talking about how racism could be made to work in the future.

          • Tawsix
            +2

            When asked to cite a source for that assertion, what you produced is... Which, if we’re honest about this, fails as a source for that assertion

            I wasn't sure if you were talking about my first statement about Republicans being responsible for mass shootings, that advocating for small government makes you a racist, or both, so I started off with the first sentence and moved on to the second sentence.

            As close a source as you could find:

            Each of my sources are loaded with words that libertarians and small-government advocates use consistently: the article is a subtle attack on them while being an overt attack on Republicans. The language the author chose is language common in the libertarian lexicon and not so common in the Republican one: governmental overreach, theft, illegitimate oppression, anti-government, these aren't talking points of most Republicans.

            Which we can only consider a source if we abandon logic to support your hysterical outburst. Okay, let’s try that then. Let’s assume that by ‘advocating for small government’ you meant to say ‘being a Republican.’ Making your assertion ‘Being a Republican makes you a racist.’ Even that’s absurd, and to my knowledge found nowhere in these links. That tortured assertion is yours, and you can keep it.

            See my first point.

            As for your claim that Lee Atwater’s explanation of the Southern strategy is about racism no longer being an issue in the South, I’m afraid you’ve either entirely missed the point of what he was saying, or, and I say this with no disrespect for your opinion, you’re just deluding yourself. Read it again and just see if you can’t work out how he may’ve been talking about how racism could be made to work in the future.

            Taken out of context in that way, of course he may've been talking about that, but he wasn't.

            The South in 1964 was considered reactionary, Neanderthalic, and so forth because we weren’t mainstream on not only on the race...

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            • AdelleChattre (edited 3 years ago)
              +7

              Each of my sources are loaded with words that libertarians and small-government advocates use consistently: the article is a subtle attack on them while being an overt attack on Republicans

              If I understand you correctly, you’re being openly attacked, and loaded code words are subtly being used against you. That must be terrible for you.

              Seriously, not everyone would take criticism of the racist legacy of the modern Republican Party as personally as you have. It’s a shame that you can’t hold two contradictory ideas at one time; that there is a openly-embraced racist constituency in the Republican Party; and that you, personally, aren’t necessarily being attacked when that’s publically discussed.

              You’ve made it clear than you can distinguish between libertarians and Republicans, so why couldn’t you make an even easier distinction? Or are we going to pretend that there are no racists in the Republican Party and that they’re for some reason only found among statists?

              As for Atwater’s admission, you can batter fry that in Reagan sauce and serve it with greens if you want, the thing speaks for itself. I don’t know why anyone would need so badly to swaddle the Southern racist strategy up in surrounding context to deny it continues to this day.

            • Tawsix
              +1
              @AdelleChattre -

              If I understand you correctly, you’re being openly attacked, and loaded code words are subtly being used against you. That must be terrible for you.

              Don't act as if words don't have power and that people don't form associations between ideas when they are presented together, exactly as this article does. It's terrible for everyone because it kills discussion.

              Seriously, not everyone would take criticism of the racist legacy of the modern Republican Party as personally as you have. It’s a shame that you can’t hold two contradictory ideas at one time; that there is a openly-embraced racist constituency in the Republican Party; and that you, personally, aren’t necessarily being attacked when that’s publically discussed.

              First of all, I never said anything about the racist legacy of the Republican Party. Secondly, I don't take it personally because I am not a Republican.

              You’ve made it clear than you can distinguish between libertarians and Republicans, so why couldn’t you make an even easier distinction? Or are we going to pretend that there are no racists in the Republican Party and that they’re for some reason only found among statists?

              Lots of grand assumptions and stuffing words in my mouth. I'd appreciate if you didn't do either. I'd also appreciate if you would stop attacking me, it isn't adding to the discussion.

              I don’t know why anyone would need so badly to swaddle the Southern racist strategy up in surrounding context to deny it continues to this day.

              Where exactly did I do or claim any of that? All I said was that Atwater's quote is being taken out of context of the entire interview. Context is important.

            • AdelleChattre
              +4
              @Tawsix -

              Yes, let’s think about what being attacked means. You know, in this context.

  • MAGISTERLUDI
    +2

    Yep, if it's racial it's Republican, .... ignore the heritage of Democrats, LOL.

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