• NotWearingPants
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    By "progressive", I was referring to the self-described status of our education system. It is a fact that most 4-year Uni professors here have political beliefs that range all the way from from left to hard-left. I'm experiencing it now, any classes that aren't directly STEM related are as much about indoctrination as education. Their views infect what and how they teach. My views in this discussion in a US history 1112 class would likely lead to my failing it.

    I think our viewpoints are irreconcilable. I'm second generation career military. My early reading was 30 Seconds Over Tokyo and the Time-Life series on WW 1 and 2. I later got into my father's books, Ghandi, Arendt, Sun Tzu, von Clausewitz and Kipling were the topic of many dinner table discussions. I've read a bit of the actual source material that your links are based on. Lengthy reading lists were part of the 4 different levels of PME I attended.

    Ike went as far as he could, and lost. But that's what military leaders are supposed to do. Do what your stripes or stars can carry, pick your hill to die on, then shut up and color if/when you are overruled. History is written by the victors, true. but it also evolves over time as society changes. People in any era disagree on decisions made, especially in war. Later generations latch onto those disagreements as proof of their own thoughts. Times, morals, values change.

    War is the natural extension of failed diplomacy. As long are there are humans with different ideas or ideology, there will be war. Don't misunderstand me, I was a war fighter, not a warmonger. I saw more than I wanted in '91 and didn't retire in time to avoid post 9/11. (I was retiring that December and had orders in hand when they went to stop-loss...I didn't get out until '06). The two-dollar bits of colored ribbon they pass out afterwards are expensively bought. I lost friends.

    The fetishization of the military post 9/11 is sometimes hard to deal with, but people who have never seen the elephant will never understand those who have. I can't read this without crying

    Let's not confuse targets with valid targets,

    Civilians became valid targets in WWII the moment a lost BF-110 jettisoned bombs over London. That likely saved Britain and probably the war, because it shifted Hitlers focus. Because of the limits of air power that became evident in Europe, that didn't change between theaters. Today, with our smart bombs and GPS, drones and satellite surveillance capability, one plane with 2 250-pound bombs (with a CEP of inches) can take out a target that 500 planes with 1200 tons of bombs might have taken out then. And when, with all our gee-whiz capabilities, we still hit a wedding instead of a high-level meet of the bad guys, it's an atrocity. And because it is so, we put that on people who didn't have those capabilities.

    There were so many pressures at the end of the war. The US didn't want the Russians in Japan, it was already apparent they weren't leaving eastern Europe. They (and the western powers) were already fully mobilized for total war and geography didn't favor the west. There was a lot more real estate to push them back than there was for them to push the allies back into the Atlantic. Russia got some of Germany's rocket, and nuke program scientists , and Truman wasn't sure how far along they were. It was inevitable that Russia would have nukes, possibly soon and a nuclear stalemate would have put the allies at an impossible disadvant...

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