Really, over the past week or so, my opinions of Ellen Pao and Alexis Ohanian have switched. I though Alexis had minor administrative issues and Ellen was the one really fucking things up. Now I think Alexis is the asshole and Ellen is the one who just was having trouble as an administrator. I mean seriously, he saw that entire drama go down, and he just sat silently until she was finally ousted, until she finally couldn't take it anymore (I know she said she had differences of opinion with the board, but let's be honest here, it was the community). What a piece of shit. He let a person get death threats for something she didn't do. Just let that sink in to you for a second. Alexis was the person who deserved to get ousted, not her.
I mean seriously, fuck that. Reddit's top brass at this point are just acting like a bunch of high schoolers, and the community is acting like middle schoolers. I pretty much only go on sports subreddits when I go back there. I'm so glad you gave me an invite code
Ellen was a fish out of the water with no one to help her and so she did practically nothing. But she pulled some crazy shenanigans in the past which are public record so blaming her is easy. She reacted modestly and safely (which angered the community that wanted actual communication) but Alexis reacted by throwing gas on the fire for the lulz.
Yeah, he doesn't seem like he's sorry. He's saying "don't poke me with your pictchfork". And he continues to say "we don't talk about employees terminations" even after Yishan revealed the actual reason for the firing : Alexis hated Victoria's post and ordered Pao to fire her. Yishan, rightfully, blames Alexis for letting Pao take all the blame.
Sorry, I didn't mean that in a way that her gender influenced it. I would have said "He let a man get death threats..." if it was a man. It was just a style of writing. Wasn't trying to imply that her gender had anything to do with it.
Edit: I edited it, just to make the message a bit more clear.
Honestly the main and only huge mistake I have seen been made was not informing and preparing the AMA mods for the major changes to their sub. It seems like they didn't go private out of protest alone. They couldn't figure out what to do and weren't prepared for Victoria leaving. Also, it was pretty evident from the beginning that /u/kn0thing was responsible for letting victoria go. /u/kn0thing actually said as much at the time it happened, but no one would listen because you can't stop the Ellen Pao hate train. I was following all the drama closely from the beginning at SRD.
Basically what I'm saying is please don't jump onto another hate train. All of this witch-hunting and hate is by far the worst part of reddit and the community.
I'm not on a hate train. I was never on an Ellen Pao hate train to begin with. More of a dislike train, and I still hold to my opinion that she should not have been CEO from the beginning. I think the way that the reddit community reacted to all of this was just sad and immature. Here's the thing. As far as I can tell, /u/kn0thing only really referenced it in a couple of somewhat buried comments, and it seems the only comment of his about it that gained traction was made after Ellen's resignation. However, Ellen was the one who actually made a public announcement apologizing. I can forgive anybody who didn't know about kn0thing's participation because most people aren't into digging deep into those reddit threads. What people do see is a CEO apologizing on the front page for what has happened so it is only natural for people to think it was her doing. At any time, he could have cleared up the accusations and taken a huge load off of her. But he doesn't.
And I am in no way advocating for a witch hunt. That is one of the most toxic aspects of the reddit community and I hope the vigilante justice side of reddit stays far away from snapzu. I am just expressing my opinion on Alexis. The way he has acted (and failed to act upon) in the past 10 days has made me lose all of my respect for him. Even in the case he wasn't the one to fire Victoria, he hasn't spoken out AT ALL about the treatment that Ellen received. It took Sam Altman, who isn't an active redditor in any way, to break the silence about Ellen's treatment.
Really, over the past week or so, my opinions of Ellen Pao and Alexis Ohanian have switched. I though Alexis had minor administrative issues and Ellen was the one really fucking things up. Now I think Alexis is the asshole and Ellen is the one who just was having trouble as an administrator. I mean seriously, he saw that entire drama go down, and he just sat silently until she was finally ousted, until she finally couldn't take it anymore (I know she said she had differences of opinion with the board, but let's be honest here, it was the community). What a piece of shit. He let a person get death threats for something she didn't do. Just let that sink in to you for a second. Alexis was the person who deserved to get ousted, not her.
I mean seriously, fuck that. Reddit's top brass at this point are just acting like a bunch of high schoolers, and the community is acting like middle schoolers. I pretty much only go on sports subreddits when I go back there. I'm so glad you gave me an invite code
Ellen was a fish out of the water with no one to help her and so she did practically nothing. But she pulled some crazy shenanigans in the past which are public record so blaming her is easy. She reacted modestly and safely (which angered the community that wanted actual communication) but Alexis reacted by throwing gas on the fire for the lulz.
We all know how he felt about the whole thing with his "Popcorn tastes good" comment in r/subredditdrama. What a poor excuse for a human being.
Yeah, he doesn't seem like he's sorry. He's saying "don't poke me with your pictchfork". And he continues to say "we don't talk about employees terminations" even after Yishan revealed the actual reason for the firing : Alexis hated Victoria's post and ordered Pao to fire her. Yishan, rightfully, blames Alexis for letting Pao take all the blame.
I don't know. What happened?
I was with you until this line. What does her being a woman have to do with this?
Sorry, I didn't mean that in a way that her gender influenced it. I would have said "He let a man get death threats..." if it was a man. It was just a style of writing. Wasn't trying to imply that her gender had anything to do with it.
Edit: I edited it, just to make the message a bit more clear.
Gotcha.
I'm glad I made the switch to Snapzu.
Where the crowd is intelligent enough to cover their own accidental display of institutionalised sexism.
...only joking /u/picklefingers ;)
Or how someone can say "institutionalized sexism" without being covered in 12 tons of hypothetical fecal matter in 5 seconds.
That's certainly a great benefit of the site. I got tired of all the hypothetical fecal matter. I had to take a lot of hypothetical showers.
Honestly the main and only huge mistake I have seen been made was not informing and preparing the AMA mods for the major changes to their sub. It seems like they didn't go private out of protest alone. They couldn't figure out what to do and weren't prepared for Victoria leaving. Also, it was pretty evident from the beginning that /u/kn0thing was responsible for letting victoria go. /u/kn0thing actually said as much at the time it happened, but no one would listen because you can't stop the Ellen Pao hate train. I was following all the drama closely from the beginning at SRD.
Basically what I'm saying is please don't jump onto another hate train. All of this witch-hunting and hate is by far the worst part of reddit and the community.
I'm not on a hate train. I was never on an Ellen Pao hate train to begin with. More of a dislike train, and I still hold to my opinion that she should not have been CEO from the beginning. I think the way that the reddit community reacted to all of this was just sad and immature. Here's the thing. As far as I can tell, /u/kn0thing only really referenced it in a couple of somewhat buried comments, and it seems the only comment of his about it that gained traction was made after Ellen's resignation. However, Ellen was the one who actually made a public announcement apologizing. I can forgive anybody who didn't know about kn0thing's participation because most people aren't into digging deep into those reddit threads. What people do see is a CEO apologizing on the front page for what has happened so it is only natural for people to think it was her doing. At any time, he could have cleared up the accusations and taken a huge load off of her. But he doesn't.
And I am in no way advocating for a witch hunt. That is one of the most toxic aspects of the reddit community and I hope the vigilante justice side of reddit stays far away from snapzu. I am just expressing my opinion on Alexis. The way he has acted (and failed to act upon) in the past 10 days has made me lose all of my respect for him. Even in the case he wasn't the one to fire Victoria, he hasn't spoken out AT ALL about the treatment that Ellen received. It took Sam Altman, who isn't an active redditor in any way, to break the silence about Ellen's treatment.
Don't forget "popcorn tastes good".