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  • Nelson
    +5

    But I thought the Russians we're our friends?!

    • AdelleChattre
      +7

      One, what does Russia have to do with anything? Two, you want Russia as an enemy?

      • sashinator
        +6

        what does Russia have to do with anything?

        From the article:

        “The term Novichok actually represents a collection of nerve agents developed by the Soviet Union towards the end of the Cold War”

        Now, as you might know USSR was de facto understood to be Russia before the 90s

        Also, former Russian spy was a victim of the last novichok attack in UK

        So there’s those two connecting facts

        Why do you think Russia has got nothing to do with the story?

        • AdelleChattre (edited 2 months ago)
          +5

          The term Novichok actually represents a collection of nerve agents developed by the Soviet Union

          To be easily manufactured in the field from commonly-available agricultural pesticides.

          as you might know USSR was de facto understood to be Russia

          Really?. I think I heard something about that, but then I'm that old.

          Of course, Novichok was actually made and stored in what is now Uzbekistan. All stocks were destroyed under the supervision of the U.S. and the U.K. after the end of the Cold War.

          Baseball was invented in New York. Does that mean the Cubs are from New York?

          former Russian spy was a victim of the last novichok attack in UK

          So your theory is that after holding him in prison for several years, Russia waited for a spy swap, so they could infiltrate the U.K. in order to then be able to murder him, because they never, ever wanted another spy swap, but somehow bafflingly did want to commit various acts of war. Hmm. Not buying that.

          two connecting facts

          No, that's argumentum ad ignorantiam.

          • sashinator
            +2

            I don’t use $10 words but I can smell a strawman

            • AdelleChattre (edited 2 months ago)
              +2

              Maybe it'd work better with funny animals from The Book of Bad Arguments.

            • sashinator
              +5
              @AdelleChattre -

              Two can play this game

            • AdelleChattre
              +3
              @sashinator -

              Now we're cooking with gas. What're you getting at around this strawman of yours?

            • Appaloosa
              +7
              @AdelleChattre -

              I think I would be in trouble in a real debate, the book of bad arguments isn't a real thing to study to win?!

            • AdelleChattre (edited 2 months ago)
              +2
              @Appaloosa -

              Reminds me of figuring out what's wrong with the car. Or debugging a program. They're ways to identify what's wrong with one's reasoning. Assuming there [were] any.

              Edit: Forgot my subjunctive mood for a while there.

            • Appaloosa (edited 2 months ago)
              +4
              @AdelleChattre -

              I must say, I always enjoy a good Donnybrook between friends! I admire your intellect and your civil discourse for all to see. It sounds tired, I know, for sure I am one of those, please do keep up your conversations, share your intellect, spar, do well and be well, both of you.

            • Appaloosa
              +3
              @Appaloosa -

              Ding!

            • Appaloosa
              +6
              @Appaloosa -

              And for the record, I voted up every comment that you both made, because I respect what you have to say and because I want you both to say what you have to say. This is important to me, fleeting perhaps in the grand scheme of things, but this is my little space to decide.

            • AdelleChattre (edited 2 months ago)
              +4
              @Appaloosa -

              As ever, there you are, reminding us of the human on the other side of the line. I can only hope a fraction of your fairness, sound judgment, and good humor may've rubbed off on me over the years. I know I'm a better person for having however-kinda've known you. I'm not sure, but my sense is that nobody's ears here have been too tender to hear anything said. Please do, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. For shame, people that think that downvoting is for when you reflexively disagree with something whether you know the first thing about it or as likely not. Opinion-voters like that will hopefully grow out of that, and they'll know they're voting better later on when they find themselves voting for things they actually disagree with because they're good for the conversation. Read the links you're given before you vote them up or down, for instance. It's a suggestion from a voice in the wilderness anyway.

            • Appaloosa (edited 2 months ago)
              +4
              @AdelleChattre -

              Oh go fuck yourself you asshole. I am humbled that I could ever have an influence on those I admire and care about...in that sort of-kinda've way. This looks awkward. So go fuck yourself. There, fixed it.

              But seriously, thank you!

              In the many years I have followed you, you speak from your heart, consistently, this is rare. You are unafraid, unabashed when you speak. And when you speak, people listen. They may or may not agree with you, and this to me is the greatest part of speaking. People listen. Without that, we only speak to ourselves.

              You have gifts that many don't have. You are smart, observant, aware of many things that most are not. Use this gift for as long as you can, share, as you do, care, as you do and never be afraid to be wrong.

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