It's not that the site is banning objectionable content, it's explicitly banning racism and hate speech. Disagreement and divergence are fine. Even passionate and fiery disagreement is fine. What Snapzu will remove has been outlined as such (Copied from the TOS)
Threatening - Don't threaten people, you wouldn't threaten someone at your birthday party. Don't PM threats and don't post any type of threats in snaps / text posts or comments.
Harmful - Whatever you wouldn't do to yourself because your brain instinctively tells you "its bad", don't do to other people. Unless you're a psychopath, then, just, use the code that your father taught you on how not to hurt others.
Unlawful - Illegal stuff gets everyone in trouble, so lets not do illegal stuff. Don't post illegal downloads, music, pictures or anything else that would otherwise land you in jail if engaged in on another medium (like a bazaar).
Abusive - Don't partake in abusive behaviour either by yourself or in a group. No witch hunts, no bullying, no posting of personal information, anything that you would dread happening to you, DON'T do it to others.
Harassment - It's alright to have a heated discussion on whatever topic comes to mind, but don't continue to repetitively PM someone after they have given you obvious signs that they have concluded their discussion with you. By obvious we mean obvious, harassment will not be tolerated in any form.
Libellous - Don't post personal information, don't post defamatory content about other individuals. I'm sure everyone of us hates negative untrue rumors going around about ourselves, this is even worse.
It's not about free speech and censorship. It's about a group of people who want to build a community that is free from these things.
In theory a section like FPH can operate under those broad headings couldn't it? As long as the posters don't post usernames, links to other posts or any other personal info that could leave to the person featured for whatever post that an FPH user would consider is content, isn't that enough to operate on a site that doesn't tolerate garbage like harassment and abusive habits from its users?
Well, the problem is the site also outlines that they will not tolerate racism and hate speech and fat people hate, has the word hate right in the goddamn name and it's targeted at a very specific group of people. I would say that regardless of anything else, that alone should bar that community from being here in the first place. The bottom line, and to reiterate it once again, is that the snapzu team has outlined that that isn't the kind of thing they want here, and that's been their policy since well before snapzu became known as a "reddit alternative".
Now, instead of accepting and understanding that is this site's policy, there are many redditors showing up her complaining that snapzu not upholding their individual interpretations of free speech. You're not doing this, you're having a polite and civil conversation about it, but there have already been comments crying "censorship" and disparaging snapzu for not honoring a commitment snapzu never made.
The driving issue is not whether or not it might be possible for FPH to work with the rules, etiquette and TOS outlined thusfar, it's that it is very obvious the admins don't want it on their site and majority of the snapzu community doesn't want it here either and many of the reddit refugees are here to escape that kind of toxicity and drama associated with it. It really is that simple. People who want to establish a new FPH can go to a site that will allow them to do it and honestly, more power to them, but I won't be going to that site. One of the reasons I chose snapzu was the specific forbidding of hate groups and one site refusing to allow them here does not constitute "censorship". Just like a church saying you can't burn a cross on their front lawn isn't "censorship". It's a private community of individuals who don't want to have to deal with that kind of thing.
Those TOS are fairly broad and a lot can be read into them. Right now racism and hate speech seem like a fairly low barrier to set but it's a slippery slope.
On the other hand, my problem with Reddit isn't so much the banning of content so much as the lack of transparency and consistency. The capricious nature of the censorship offends me more than the censorship itself. In that sense I suppose that snapzu has a chance of approaching this issue, which all websites have to deal with, in a more open and transparent way
It's not that the site is banning objectionable content, it's explicitly banning racism and hate speech. Disagreement and divergence are fine. Even passionate and fiery disagreement is fine. What Snapzu will remove has been outlined as such (Copied from the TOS)
Threatening - Don't threaten people, you wouldn't threaten someone at your birthday party. Don't PM threats and don't post any type of threats in snaps / text posts or comments.
Harmful - Whatever you wouldn't do to yourself because your brain instinctively tells you "its bad", don't do to other people. Unless you're a psychopath, then, just, use the code that your father taught you on how not to hurt others.
Unlawful - Illegal stuff gets everyone in trouble, so lets not do illegal stuff. Don't post illegal downloads, music, pictures or anything else that would otherwise land you in jail if engaged in on another medium (like a bazaar).
Abusive - Don't partake in abusive behaviour either by yourself or in a group. No witch hunts, no bullying, no posting of personal information, anything that you would dread happening to you, DON'T do it to others.
Harassment - It's alright to have a heated discussion on whatever topic comes to mind, but don't continue to repetitively PM someone after they have given you obvious signs that they have concluded their discussion with you. By obvious we mean obvious, harassment will not be tolerated in any form.
Libellous - Don't post personal information, don't post defamatory content about other individuals. I'm sure everyone of us hates negative untrue rumors going around about ourselves, this is even worse.
It's not about free speech and censorship. It's about a group of people who want to build a community that is free from these things.
In theory a section like FPH can operate under those broad headings couldn't it? As long as the posters don't post usernames, links to other posts or any other personal info that could leave to the person featured for whatever post that an FPH user would consider is content, isn't that enough to operate on a site that doesn't tolerate garbage like harassment and abusive habits from its users?
Well, the problem is the site also outlines that they will not tolerate racism and hate speech and fat people hate, has the word hate right in the goddamn name and it's targeted at a very specific group of people. I would say that regardless of anything else, that alone should bar that community from being here in the first place. The bottom line, and to reiterate it once again, is that the snapzu team has outlined that that isn't the kind of thing they want here, and that's been their policy since well before snapzu became known as a "reddit alternative".
Now, instead of accepting and understanding that is this site's policy, there are many redditors showing up her complaining that snapzu not upholding their individual interpretations of free speech. You're not doing this, you're having a polite and civil conversation about it, but there have already been comments crying "censorship" and disparaging snapzu for not honoring a commitment snapzu never made.
The driving issue is not whether or not it might be possible for FPH to work with the rules, etiquette and TOS outlined thusfar, it's that it is very obvious the admins don't want it on their site and majority of the snapzu community doesn't want it here either and many of the reddit refugees are here to escape that kind of toxicity and drama associated with it. It really is that simple. People who want to establish a new FPH can go to a site that will allow them to do it and honestly, more power to them, but I won't be going to that site. One of the reasons I chose snapzu was the specific forbidding of hate groups and one site refusing to allow them here does not constitute "censorship". Just like a church saying you can't burn a cross on their front lawn isn't "censorship". It's a private community of individuals who don't want to have to deal with that kind of thing.
So by that logic, just drop the word "people" and make it "fat hate" or drop the "hate" and have it be a group about "fat people"
Those TOS are fairly broad and a lot can be read into them. Right now racism and hate speech seem like a fairly low barrier to set but it's a slippery slope.
On the other hand, my problem with Reddit isn't so much the banning of content so much as the lack of transparency and consistency. The capricious nature of the censorship offends me more than the censorship itself. In that sense I suppose that snapzu has a chance of approaching this issue, which all websites have to deal with, in a more open and transparent way
"anything that you would dread happening to you, DON'T do it to others."
If I was getting fat, I'd want people to let me know, so I wouldn't get even fatter.