"And why wouldn't the left champion voter ID"

Because it would loose voters, as in illegal voters, as in voter fraud.

It has been exposed/documented in local elections. Never has a government investigation been done on the national level.

The only question to be answered by such an investigation is:.....how many?

However, much like the project veritas videos

James O'Keefe? That's a shame. I thought you might've been serious. The only way you fall for hoaxes like his is if you want to or maybe you're so strung out on your bigotry you need to. Which one are you?

The Bush Administration tasked all the U.S. attorney's offices with not just finding in-person voter fraud but prosecuting it as their highest priority. It just wasn't there to find. Eventually, the attorney general started purging the U.S. attorneys that were failing to bring in those non-existent cases, and it brought him down. You can believe in James O'Keefe or the Easter Bunny for all I care, but if you think there's any problem with in-person voter fraud in the U.S. you've got an underlying personal problem. That said, if you think James O'Keefe found what America's U.S. attorneys couldn't, again, that goes to a personal problem.

And why wouldn't the left champion voter ID if it can fall under the bracket of government services?

Voter ID? You know, because I'm pretty sure I've told you, I've always enjoyed your contributions. To this day, I think you've made the best snap I've ever seen here by sheer force of research on a great topic. But you seem to be on another side of this issue and I want to clarify for you that it's not an issue but a creed. This is about political subjugation by some people of other people.

Today, one of the ways Jim Crow works has to do with voter ID. Your tone above leaves no doubt you think it's good policy. Require some new form of ID that's never been needed for civic participation before then make sure it's practically impossible to get. The thing is it's not always voter ID.

Sometimes it's a literacy test, because if you can't read then somebody must be telling you for whom to vote. Literacy tests certain people always seem to fail. Sometimes it's a poll tax, a fee you have to pay to vote, because otherwise somebody might be paying you to vote a certain way. A fee that's always more than certain people seem to have. Sometimes it's a noose.

There are counties in this country where the vote totals somehow come out before the sheriff brings in the ballots to be counted. There are electronic voting machines that need 'calibration,' those that have all the security required by the state elections board switched off, and those that're so easily hacked it defies belief that they aren't routinely. There are so many backwaters and eddies in the electoral system in this country that either and both parties can, have, do and will corrupt the voting process beyond the dreams of modest people.

I myself have had 'irregularities' occur with my voter registration and ballots in 2016 that mean my votes were almost certainly never counted. That's the real, baseline corruption. What this old time Know-Nothing gadfly Trump is after here is more than pleasing crowds of knuckle-dragging white supremacists and moronic, scapegoat-hungry nativists like MagisterLudi. He wants to broaden, lengthen and deepen Jim Crow without disturbing in any way the traditional, longstanding ways that U.S. elections have always been corrupt.

Project is not a bigot, and you know that. There is a cultural difference, perhaps. Distrust in our neck of the woods, where we have seen, even been victims of manipulation in our real lives. Others maybe come from a more homogenized environment, not so threatening. I get where Project is coming from, and it is not from anything other than being honest.

Fair. Something Jim Crow has always pretended to be.

There is nothing fair about Jim Crow.

Have to show ID in many countries to vote.

Many countries aren’t Texas, or Alabama, or North Carolina, or the neo-Confederate South of an Attorney General Sessions’ Justice Department under the Roberts Court and the Trump presidency.

Having ID seems reasonable. And you don’t have to worry about getting it. More over, once folks that’ve never needed these forms of ID to vote before succeed in getting it, Jim Crow will move onto the next way to manipulate you into resenting the victims of whatever that voter suppression scheme is.

Totally agree with this in the US context. Real ID is a good example. Some states have not adopted it. They won't be able to go on military bases or board a plane or enter certain federal building without the Real ID recognized driver's license. It is a de facto National ID...and nobody thinks that a problem?

Enough for a quarter of the states to pass laws specifically forbidding complying with the federal REAL ID Act. Enough so that “Homeland Security,” (eesh, that still sounds creepy) keeps pretending to give out ‘waivers’ to states. Until they don’t.

My parents live in PA, one of those states not complying...and they didn't even know about it.

With so many state legislatures dead set against it, my guess is that Motherland Security will extend the requirement deadline for air travel past 2018.

I think I'll leave you under your bridge, to find a careless traveller to ask your riddles about so-and-so's massive, in-person voter fraud and what fraction of a vote such-and-such a person has.

Sit.

Masher.

You should edit that!

Why? Because your that obvious or are facts censored?

Adelle once told me straight out without any accompanying comment "FUCK YOU!" and he faced no censure, nor comments to the contrary. Comment is saved so there can be no question as to my claim.

Stop your and this site's duplicity here and now.

I don't blame her, We know each other we go back a long way on social media. Back to the Mixx days and Digg Patriot days. It is not the first time someone told you fuck you or me. You stop it!

"her"? It's a he,.... fact,..... done and over.

Mixx yes, Digg no. At the very least be accurate.

He or her does not matter to me.

"I don't blame her"

"He or her does not matter to me."..... maybe, ,,,maybe not.

LOL, see ya.

You can't even tell the truth when you're crying. If you care to look back, I never used all caps. What am I, a monster? In any case, you had that and worse coming. Go read yourself.

You will see me if this continues not Lol.

LOL,

I was, still am embarrassed for ole jc and "his" (I assume) slobbering.

See me? Name the place, nah you'll have to come to me. I'll not spend any money over this triteness.

" if this continues" , use some self restraint.

Lol Look in the mirror!

I'm glad we had this little chat.

I used to think a little highly of you, not that it should matter to you,

but brings a clarity to myself....Thank you.

Frankly I don't give a damn what you think anymore!

Whew,,,,,,,,, Don't ya all feel better now?

LOL

Are you paid for what you do?

"what you do?"

What might that be?..... I am paid, and well, for my profession, that's far and apart from here.

Answer please!

??????????? I did.

thank you!

No you did not.

Stop it,

and actually peruse the thread.

No last word for you I know you.

@jcscher - "what you do?"

What might that be?..... I am paid, and well, for my profession, that's far and apart from here. 27 minutes ago.....there .,,,,,,,,,,jeez

Now if you wish to clarify "what you do",,,,,,,,fine,,,,if not, that too is fine.

Are you getting extra "points" for the length/stretch here? LOL

Me too! You must still be an umpire. I am retired and well paid to be. LOL!

" still be an umpire" ,LOL,,,,,,,, I have umpired many a little league games, unpaid, back when my children were small.

You have taken this to the very depths........ Congratulations

Have a good one.

You also enjoyed it.

Nah, I could never enjoy your or anyone else's misery.

As to your retirement, I hope neither party screws with your SSI.

LOL

Nah, I could never enjoy your or anyone else's misery.

What is it you think you're doing here? Sharing with us the depth of your knowledge and the gentle humor of your wisdom? You're a troll. What you lack in any ability to learn or apologize or admit mistakes you make up for in easy recourse to blatant lies told for their own sake, bogus arguments made specifically to shut down reasonable conversation, and an endless series of attacks made on a very short list of go-to scapegoats that includes the few people here.

Look what you're doing now. That guy is your oldest, closest acquaintance here and he hates your guts. So mission accomplished for you, then. It's like you're a walking, talking spleen that secretes nothing but bile. Kind of hard to be around. So why don't you wrap this latest exchange up with your trademark charm, maybe some personal threats and potshots at Muslim women and the Democratic Party, and go back under your bridge to plot your next conniption fit.

All that vitriol!

Feel better now?

It's odd you should feel this way when in fact it is you that introduces/initiates insult and innuendo as a response to any comment on any subject I wish to issue. Look back, I've never initiated such. It's documented and undeniable fact.

I will and do respond with like and kind.

I’m good. You, you might want to learn how to make friends.

I have no need for "virtual" friends. I'm old school mine/we share actual experiences, not dashes on a keyboard, from who knows what.

By the way I never considered jc a friend, just respected a dignity he once displayed, back in the day.

You know, I think I knew that when you started giving me commands like you would a dog. What do you think you’re doing at Snapzu, then? Braying for its own sake?

There you go again,

have fun with/enjoy it.......LOL

Just don't bluff/pretend outrage when it comes back at/to you.

It’d be one thing if I thought you were lying to yourself. The thing is, I think you lie as a flourish on top of your overall trolling, right before the undeservedly smug lulz you give yourself.

Sometimes it's better to keep one's thoughts to themselves.

Obviously this is not such a time for you. But you could not have picked a subject more delightful than

myself.

Ask around. See how many people here feel that way. Can’t wait to see what number you’d say you came up with. Three to five million, maybe?

Oh, I'm sure I could get hundreds of millions, perhaps billions to agree,

"Sometimes it's better to keep one's thoughts to themselves."

You should try it.

Oh, I can tell you’ve really reconnected with lost friends lately. And here I thought you’d driven that one away long ago, right along with so many other users. Well, you know how the old saying goes: if at first you don’t succeed, get super-creepy.

You seem deeply concerned about my, I guess I could only term as, status here among not my, but your peers.

The problem with that is I would have to ,myself, draw some sort of validation from you/them. Haven't I made it perfectly clear, validation is not your's or their's to grant?

Yes, it’s clear yours is a self-stroking ego, blissfully unaware of any social cues or even simple, human societal expectations. No doubt that’s how you’ve managed to ooze so much contempt.

I think it's more to your perception of status in the overall realm of real/actual thingys.

Yours is obviously extravagant

mine, conventional.

That comment’s not meant for me, is it? That’s a private thing for your poetry chapbook, I suppose. That kind of high brow stuff makes me dizzy. What’s it about? Vindictiveness, maybe?

It was in response, meant I suppose for anyone to peruse, as would be the nature of posts.

Yep, it was pretty "highbrow" esp the reference to "thingys" might be beyond most to grasp.

Your free to make it, and have, about what you will/must.

The thing I most admire about you is, your ability to drive light hearted banter into

ritualistic cruelty. LOL

“Thingys,” was it? I don’t remember that specifically. I’ll have to go back and see if you’ve ninja-edited that comment. And, yes, you have. I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. Light-hearted banter, really? That may be our problem. That’s not at all how I remember thingys. Maybe we didn’t see your asinine, prideful, bigoted, gay-bashing anti-joke in quite the same terms, for instance, then. Perhaps if we’d been able to take social cues, or change our point of view in the slightest fucking degree, or thrive on anything but sneering contempt for everything beyond the range of our nose, your feelings wouldn’t be quite so at-risk, nor your nose so absurdly out of joint.

Have it anyway you wish

Good morning to you.