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  • Project2501 (edited 1 year ago)
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    No doctor has ever uncovered the solution to weight loss.

    (from the article linked)

    We found that in the National Weight Control Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average weight loss of 30 kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common behavioral strategies, including eating a diet low in fat, frequent self-monitoring of body weight and food intake, and high levels of regular physical activity.

    source

    Lifestyle intervention has repeatedly and conclusively been shown to prevent or postpone the development of type 2 diabetes among high-risk individuals [1–5].

    another source

    The findings suggest that weight-loss maintenance comparable with that after bariatric surgery can be accomplished through non-surgical methods with more intensive behavioral efforts. Increased susceptibility to cues that trigger overeating may increase risk of weight regain regardless of initial weight-loss method.

    yet another

    Quite simply, I am not nutritionist/doctor, but hell, it is extremely easy to find peer reviewed articles through scholar.google (or academic journal database of your choice). These were quickly found, including just popping in the researchers from this New York Times article talking about the 5% fail quotation into google scholar*.

    Just some of the risks of obesity, so I don't take kindly on misinformation being spread about its treatment. So yes, I downvoted, as I have a personal pet peeve against anti-intellectualism. *EDIT: didn't finish one sentence. EDIT 2: made the last sentence less confrontational, as frankly, respect a lot of other submissions, and didn't want this to be an attack on the submitter, but more an attack on the vox article. FINAL EDIT: rereading the article, my biggest probelm is how it is written for the first half of the article, when I noped out, starting researching why the statements were misleading.

    • gladsdotter
      +5

      But isn't the point of the article that people should be looking at the research (like the articles you cite) rather than reading facile diet books intended only to earn money for the people who publish them?

      Before crashing on an extreme diet, maybe we consider incorporating one or two of the very basics of a healthy lifestyle — more fruits and vegetables, going on walks — which fewer than 3 percent of Americans manage today.

      • Project2501 (edited 1 year ago)
        +3

        Sorry. This article is bizarre in that it half says what I am saying, but then is peppered with these quotes:

        No doctor has ever uncovered the solution to weight loss.

        Only a tiny percentage (estimates suggest about 5 percent) of people who try to lose weight on a diet succeed, and many more actually gain weight in the dieting process.

        (which I have already linked to a how a 1959 study of 100 is outdated, and misrepresented, which is especially glaring in how it is trying to promote scientific literacy)

        But many can't stick to that pattern of eating for a host of social and environmental reasons that most diet books can't and don't address.

        (edit to clarify: not sure if this is talking about education on nutrition, which arguably a lot of diet books attempt to fix, just not the "fad" ones, or if this is trying to talk about the correlation, but not causation, between economic status, and obesity, this is where an outside source would help)

        maybe we consider incorporating one or two of the very basics of a healthy lifestyle — more fruits and vegetables, going on walks — which fewer than 3 percent of Americans manage today.

        (That statistic, yeah, it is based on these tests: A device people wore to determine their actual level of movement, with a goal of 150 minutes of moderate-to-vigorous activity a week. Blood samples were done to verify a person was a non-smoker. Body fat was measured with sophisticated X-ray absorptiometry, not just a crude measurement based on weight and height. A healthy diet was defined in this study as being in about the top 40 percent of people who ate foods recommended by the USDA. )

        They even go so far to justify the diet books with these lines:

        Some doctor diet books are more sensible than others, like Yoni Freedhoff's The Diet Fix. He doesn't prescribe a specific regimen but argues that the only diet that's likely to work is actually more of a lifestyle change that's sustainable over many, many years. (That's what nearly every weight loss and obesity expert I've ever talked to has told me.)

        Ludwig's tome includes many reasonable recommendations too. His major point is that there are control systems in the body that very tightly regulate weight, and calorie-restricted diets cause the body to fight back by increasing hunger and hanging on to fat. (You can read more about the theory behind the diet here.) He contends that if people would just forget calories and follow a wholesome, low-carbohydrate, higher-fat diet, they could eventually shed weight. (Even Ludwig's critics agree this plan would eventually lead to slimming.)

        Wouldn't a better look at diet books look at how many promote that 40% USDA recommendations? How many sales don't?

        I actually want to remove my downvote (don't know how, it was the first I have given, it just gives a pop up for the reason. EDIT: Upvoted now. If nothing else, the discussion, and primary points are still valid), as it was given when I stopped halfway through my first reading of the article, as between the 5%, and the "no doctor has uncovered the solution" triggered my "well now I need to spend my free time linking articles as to why these claims are false". I don't think being poorly formatted or written still justify it. As that is turning out to be my largest grievance in the end.

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